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Secrets cover-ups and strange phenomena

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UFOs and ideas that challenge reality

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itself all these Mysteries all this time

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are we ever going to get to the bottom

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of these my name is George Knapp I dig

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into news stories that others can't or

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won't I'm Jeremy Corbell and for some

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reason people tell me things they

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probably shouldn't

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and this

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is weapons

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welcome back this is weaponized how you

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doing everybody Jeremy hey good to see

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you George

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hey man so I'm excited about today

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because I heard

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that you smuggle classified documents

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out of Russia is that true

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that is true okay is that the end of the

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story yeah that's it okay we're done so

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today let's talk about that listen I've

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heard you know you've informed me a

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bunch about this but it also known not

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only to intelligence agencies but also

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to the public that somehow you went to

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Russia at this opportune time and got a

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bunch of information about their UFO

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programs so I want to hear about that

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well the actual smuggling part of it um

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was uh exhilarating exciting downright

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scary probably crazy and retrospect

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looking back at it now if they had

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caught me what I was doing

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I'd still be in a gulag somewhere we

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know what happens to Russian journalists

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who cross Putin we know what happens to

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business people who cross Putin an

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American journalist was recently

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arrested in Russia for Espionage

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purposes uh I I can pretty much assure

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you that he didn't do what we did back

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then but uh I'll tell you the story so

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in 1989 for Klaus I produced this series

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UFOs the best evidence we did a a

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follow-up series the following year in

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1990 at the end of 1991 I had UFO

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disease pretty bad I had a bad case of

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it I was totally totally focused on UFO

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issues wondering where I could take the

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topic and I ended up leaving klas at the

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end of 91 to go to work for a company

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called Altamira Communications I took

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along a friend of mine who also worked

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for kls his name was Brian gresh great

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reporter and anchor we went to work for

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Altamira in part because they owned a TV

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studio I wanted to produce UFO related

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documentaries they had a studio and they

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had promised us it's yours to use

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research could go how to make uh

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progress figuring out what our

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government knows and there was an

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article that appeared in the New York

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credited with killing John F Kennedy

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article was basically KGB files on Lee

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mystery over the decades that there are

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public maybe they know something so I

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that market in in essence and Along came

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a congressman named Jim bilbray you

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statement when Lazar was in some legal

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who who had records would not release

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little bar the smuggle in uh no no it

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Russian Parliament he had taught Russian

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Russian military and they and um they

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their experts uh to talk about UFOs we

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might learn more from them about what

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then we will ever learn from our own

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anything about UFOs and he goes you know

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about UFOs that he had read I said well

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you know what there's a National Academy

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of Sciences that was looking into this

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stuff I think I could talk to them too

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career this is a time when from news

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reporting and all this you got you said

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you had UFO disease so you were so for

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people that don't know what that means

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that means this subject is so

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interesting and if you see opportunities

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to learn more it just excites you this

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becomes one of the most important things

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in your life because the implications of

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if it is true so you you have this UFO

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disease at the time and you're like I'm

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different with my life and you went to

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Altamira to start creating right this

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content but this is also a time when the

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world is changing so it's a time when

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there's this momentary openness within

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the UFO topic well yeah pretty much that

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different valet had been there

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veronash where aliens landed in this big

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it but I thought you know that that run

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rang a bell with me that there might be

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something to it in November 1989 Soviet

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clear the official news agency task

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alien ship in the city of veronis a

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Street Journal and on network news none

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varonish rather Riley commented on the

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veronese story assumed almost surreal

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claimed that the only witnesses to the

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landing were young children and because

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varnish is a large city it's over a

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million people what they showed me was

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you know the film and the physical

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evidence they told me about the cases in

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which for example an object hovered near

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a nuclear power plant in varnish and a

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beam from their object melted the

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asphalt there and that's what they are

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studying now the story Americans read

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was much different from what the

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witnesses say happened at varonish it

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was an odd case because instead of just

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a landing of a spacecraft you got actual

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like beings that come out which is one

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of these Rarities when you have tons of

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people talking about being they look

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like robots in Russia yeah 10 foot tall

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robots and um and actually there were a

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lot of witnesses most of them were young

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people but they were not just little

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tiny kids they were teenagers it was a

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really interesting case yeah so along

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the lines those lines I started reaching

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out to see what existed in terms of

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Russian files in Western sources there's

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something called fbis it's a report

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that's put out by the CIA and they they

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summarize Foreign Press accounts and

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actually they had quite a few stories

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from Russian media that they it they had

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translated into English and they send

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out to intelligence agencies and a lot

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of the information was pretty intriguing

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so I knew somebody in Russia had been

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studying UFOs and collecting information

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I meet with capranov and he says yeah I

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know some people who were looking at

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this stuff we asked them would you be

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willing to go to work for us and he said

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yeah so I gave him a couple of

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instructions I said look I want you to

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find people who were in a position to

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know about UFOs military or scientific

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positions who are in a position to

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actually investigate see the files know

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what's going on but I don't want to hear

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from anyone who has ever talked to to

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reporters Western Media or Russian media

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about this at all I don't want it

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contaminated so that was his marching

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orders and this guy's a this guy's a

323
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serious guy this is a guy that you got

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connected to because of his government

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why was he in the U.S giving these

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lectures about uh you know

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taking away nukes and everything and

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talking about what he did in Russia why

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was that a thing at that time well there

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were attempts by the Russian government

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and the U.S government that had started

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with Reagan and Gorbachev let's take it

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down a notch that's maybe not not

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destroy ourselves and destroy the planet

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you ever called these amazing statements

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that Ronald Reagan had made that the

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United Nations and other occasions where

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he said wouldn't it be something if we

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were threatened by an alien force

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wouldn't we all start thinking of

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ourselves as earthlings and all our

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differences would disappear I've often

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wondered what if

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all of us in the world discovered that

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we were threatened

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by an outer of power

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from outer space from another planet

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wouldn't we all of a sudden find that we

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didn't have any differences between us

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at all Mikhail Gorbachev responded to

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that and said yeah that would be

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something that Reagan said it I think

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five different times mentioning aliens

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uh we can go into this no that's an

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incredible story people should know

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about that I mean that's shown all over

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when people talk about UFOs they show

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this thing of Ronald Reagan at the U.N

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and it's like this green background he

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goes imagine if we were all dealing with

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an alien threat how that would Bond

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Humanity perhaps we need some outside

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Universal threat to make us recognize

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this common bound I hope and wish that

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would be true if that's what happens

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right yeah but anyway it's a very famous

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speech so his whole thing was he'd said

368
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it a number of times but he you think he

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chose that intentionally like the word

370
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oh yeah I think he and Gorbachev talked

371
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about this stuff and Gorbachev responded

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in public saying yeah I agree with you

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we should be on the same page on this

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there had been some incidents

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where UFOs appeared and were detected on

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sensor systems of our country and their

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country that could have led to a launch

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of nuclear weapons a mistake that they

379
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would assume the Russians might assume

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these are our craft or missiles that we

381
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would assume it's Russian stuff and who

382
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knows World War III could happen if you

383
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make that kind of a mistake so brass

384
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tacks that for people that don't know so

385
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UFOs have been detected and and filmed

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over nuclear facilities they have shot

387
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beams of light into them shut down

388
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nuclear weapons turned them on at times

389
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we know that happened in the 70s at 60s

390
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and 70s but it's a very famous case

391
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Maelstrom Air Force Base that's one was

392
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so funny by the way the guy um Robert

393
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Salas who came out he said oh yeah I got

394
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a call and I heard it was going to be

395
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something I could talk about I started

396
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talking about it turns out he was

397
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talking about his case but it wasn't

398
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Declassified it was another case that

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was and they had mistaken so there were

400
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a bunch of these events so you know

401
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about these in the U.S did they happen

402
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in Russia too well yeah that's what I

403
00:15:08,870 --> 00:15:06,540
wanted to find out so we send Nikolai

404
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back to Moscow we give him a stipend a

405
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monthly stipend we give him an office a

406
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fax machine and said go to it took about

407
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eight months and I have a thick stack of

408
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messages that came in from him faxes and

409
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phone calls and stuff that I've saved to

410
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this day how he was trying to find this

411
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person and that there were a lot of hits

412
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and misses you know but eventually he

413
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found the right people because he's an

414
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honest guy he's a serious guy absolutely

415
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serious guy I mean you know he was at

416
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the highest levels of the Russian

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government as their National Security

418
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advisor so about eight months in

419
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30 years ago this month 30 years ago

420
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this month we went to Moscow and I spent

421
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10 days there and Nikolai had set up

422
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interviews with all these people we

423
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didn't really know how it was going to

424
00:15:55,129 --> 00:15:53,279
go okay what was that like though so

425
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this is right after the Cold War right I

426
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mean this is right as so what was it

427
00:16:00,710 --> 00:15:58,920
like going to like I've only seen movies

428
00:16:03,230 --> 00:16:00,720
but what was it like at that time in

429
00:16:05,210 --> 00:16:03,240
Russia what year was it this is 1993 and

430
00:16:07,069 --> 00:16:05,220
so you go what tell me one story of what

431
00:16:09,350 --> 00:16:07,079
that was like well it was an incredibly

432
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tumultuous period uh there were the 10

433
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days we were there there were a massive

434
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demonstrations every single day in Red

435
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Square there were Russian tanks cruising

436
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through Moscow the whole country was on

437
00:16:24,769 --> 00:16:22,620
alert on the day we arrived Boris

438
00:16:27,350 --> 00:16:24,779
Yeltsin had ordered the seizure of

439
00:16:29,750 --> 00:16:27,360
Russian Airwaves the state took control

440
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of their media which essentially they've

441
00:16:33,230 --> 00:16:31,139
always controlled it to one degree or

442
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another on the last day where they we

443
00:16:36,350 --> 00:16:34,500
were there there were these massive

444
00:16:38,449 --> 00:16:36,360
demonstrations outside the Russian

445
00:16:40,970 --> 00:16:38,459
Parliament it was a it was a really

446
00:16:42,769 --> 00:16:40,980
spooky time I mean no one was really

447
00:16:44,870 --> 00:16:42,779
quite sure where it was going to go the

448
00:16:46,970 --> 00:16:44,880
Russians I got to know so many of them

449
00:16:49,430 --> 00:16:46,980
during that visit and a later visit

450
00:16:54,009 --> 00:16:49,440
there's just so much like us they wanted

451
00:16:56,509 --> 00:16:54,019
to embrace democracy and capitalism

452
00:16:58,970 --> 00:16:56,519
Mother Russia is singing a new tune

453
00:17:01,310 --> 00:16:58,980
these days the Berlin Wall has crumbled

454
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and the Iron Curtain has parted allowing

455
00:17:05,510 --> 00:17:03,420
the Russian people to experiment with a

456
00:17:07,669 --> 00:17:05,520
free market economy and allowing the

457
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rest of us a glimpse into a world that

458
00:17:13,309 --> 00:17:10,260
was by and large sealed off from the

459
00:17:14,990 --> 00:17:13,319
outside for decades even the KGB has

460
00:17:17,510 --> 00:17:15,000
opened some of its files to Western

461
00:17:20,390 --> 00:17:17,520
researchers and journalists but what do

462
00:17:22,669 --> 00:17:20,400
Russians know about UFOs it was assumed

463
00:17:25,130 --> 00:17:22,679
by Western ufologists that the Soviets

464
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were experiencing the same type of UFO

465
00:17:29,690 --> 00:17:27,419
encounters as the rest of the world but

466
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isolated incidents were all Outsiders

467
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heard about as tensions cooled and

468
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:34,260
dialogue began between the East and the

469
00:17:40,310 --> 00:17:36,960
West the UFO issue was publicly breached

470
00:17:43,130 --> 00:17:40,320
in a 1989 issue of the magazine Soviet

471
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military review Russian military leaders

472
00:17:48,470 --> 00:17:45,419
argued in favor of an ongoing exchange

473
00:17:50,330 --> 00:17:48,480
of UFO information with the West in the

474
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view of the authors without such an

475
00:17:55,010 --> 00:17:52,520
exchange a UFO might one day

476
00:17:57,169 --> 00:17:55,020
accidentally trigger a nuclear exchange

477
00:17:59,210 --> 00:17:57,179
between the superpowers on the

478
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assumption that the UFO was an enemy

479
00:18:03,890 --> 00:18:01,020
missile there's an image I have in my

480
00:18:05,690 --> 00:18:03,900
head driving along with in a car with

481
00:18:08,210 --> 00:18:05,700
our interpreter and there's a guy

482
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:08,220
sitting he's got a peach basket and he's

483
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got these cans of something behind him

484
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and he's got a little sign in acrylic in

485
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Russian and he's sitting in the middle

486
00:18:18,950 --> 00:18:17,580
of a mud bog and I'm wondering what the

487
00:18:21,470 --> 00:18:18,960
hell is that guy doing what does that

488
00:18:24,350 --> 00:18:21,480
sign say what is he selling he's selling

489
00:18:26,570 --> 00:18:24,360
used motor oil so he the guy was trying

490
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to get his head around capitalism and

491
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how it worked he didn't understand the

492
00:18:32,930 --> 00:18:30,059
importance of location because he was in

493
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a mud bog there but he wanted he wanted

494
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to embrace capitalism and democracy and

495
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freedom and that was really the spirit

496
00:18:40,310 --> 00:18:38,460
of the Russian people at the time so

497
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many of them wanted to be part of the

498
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world they didn't want to be at war with

499
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the rest of the world they wanted to be

500
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you know integrated into the rest of

501
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society and and to embrace all the

502
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democracy and capitalism might entail

503
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and um but there were still there was a

504
00:19:00,409 --> 00:18:56,160
big contingent of of uh of the Russians

505
00:19:02,570 --> 00:19:00,419
who were happy to have a strong figure

506
00:19:04,490 --> 00:19:02,580
like a Stalin or a cruise ship in charge

507
00:19:06,890 --> 00:19:04,500
of the government they didn't like the

508
00:19:08,810 --> 00:19:06,900
idea that all these uh other republics

509
00:19:10,370 --> 00:19:08,820
had been peeled off that they weren't

510
00:19:13,250 --> 00:19:10,380
considered the biggest power in the

511
00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:13,260
world anymore and so every single day

512
00:19:17,690 --> 00:19:14,940
there were these massive demonstrations

513
00:19:18,549 --> 00:19:17,700
in Red Square pro-democracy forces on

514
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one side

515
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:20,760
pro-communism forces on the other side

516
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and and cops and tanks and things of

517
00:19:26,450 --> 00:19:24,660
that sort in the middle it was an

518
00:19:28,010 --> 00:19:26,460
exciting time to be there regardless of

519
00:19:30,710 --> 00:19:28,020
the UFO part of it well I'm just curious

520
00:19:32,570 --> 00:19:30,720
so you roll up I'm assuming with some

521
00:19:35,029 --> 00:19:32,580
friends that they're all look like FBI

522
00:19:37,789 --> 00:19:35,039
agents and then a bunch of cameras do

523
00:19:40,070 --> 00:19:37,799
you just get a tourist visa at the time

524
00:19:42,470 --> 00:19:40,080
we had to get an invitation so we had to

525
00:19:43,970 --> 00:19:42,480
have an invitation from someone in a

526
00:19:45,549 --> 00:19:43,980
position of authority and the people

527
00:19:48,110 --> 00:19:45,559
that invited us the official

528
00:19:50,750 --> 00:19:48,120
Proclamation was from their National

529
00:19:53,450 --> 00:19:50,760
Academy of Natural Sciences which was

530
00:19:55,850 --> 00:19:53,460
headed by a retired Admiral Admiral

531
00:19:57,770 --> 00:19:55,860
perumoff they were interested in UFOs

532
00:19:59,990 --> 00:19:57,780
and they gave us the invitation and we

533
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:00,000
got visas and went on over uh it was

534
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:02,880
myself uh Brian gresh the reporter who

535
00:20:07,250 --> 00:20:04,799
had left Channel 8 with me and then

536
00:20:09,110 --> 00:20:07,260
Brian Bryant Blackburn who has been my

537
00:20:12,350 --> 00:20:09,120
photographer and all the Bob Lazar Area

538
00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,360
51 stuff for years and we went over and

539
00:20:17,330 --> 00:20:14,880
we were there 10 days it was an amazing

540
00:20:19,250 --> 00:20:17,340
experience even if we had not found all

541
00:20:21,650 --> 00:20:19,260
the co stuff it was absolutely

542
00:20:24,890 --> 00:20:21,660
fascinating to be there at the time but

543
00:20:26,630 --> 00:20:24,900
you did find UFO stuff I I did so so

544
00:20:30,110 --> 00:20:26,640
among the first people we interviewed

545
00:20:31,850 --> 00:20:30,120
was Dr capranov he had been highly

546
00:20:34,070 --> 00:20:31,860
skeptical he didn't know where this was

547
00:20:35,870 --> 00:20:34,080
going to lead but after eight months of

548
00:20:38,090 --> 00:20:35,880
digging into this stuff and talking to

549
00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:38,100
high-level government people about UFOs

550
00:20:42,650 --> 00:20:39,780
he realized holy crap this is real

551
00:20:44,630 --> 00:20:42,660
Russian physicist Nikolai capranov a

552
00:20:46,610 --> 00:20:44,640
national security advisor to the Soviet

553
00:20:48,830 --> 00:20:46,620
Parliament spent months making the

554
00:20:51,049 --> 00:20:48,840
crucial contacts with sources who would

555
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:51,059
not otherwise be available to westerners

556
00:20:54,409 --> 00:20:52,799
and who almost certainly would never

557
00:20:57,230 --> 00:20:54,419
have been accessible to Western

558
00:20:59,810 --> 00:20:57,240
journalists capranov had heard Rumblings

559
00:21:01,970 --> 00:20:59,820
about UFO studies over the years but he

560
00:21:04,190 --> 00:21:01,980
was far from being a believer that is

561
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,200
until he started asking questions of

562
00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:06,240
people in high places

563
00:21:09,710 --> 00:21:08,280
more and more I started to think that

564
00:21:11,330 --> 00:21:09,720
this is something for real

565
00:21:16,250 --> 00:21:11,340
and

566
00:21:18,590 --> 00:21:16,260
Cheetos one can't you know just just

567
00:21:21,350 --> 00:21:18,600
drop but what I learned about the UFO is

568
00:21:24,710 --> 00:21:21,360
that they're certainly for real and that

569
00:21:27,770 --> 00:21:24,720
the UFO is the one fragment of ovarian

570
00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:27,780
diversive and strong

571
00:21:32,090 --> 00:21:29,820
phenomena the military people are

572
00:21:34,250 --> 00:21:32,100
looking at that very seriously with

573
00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:34,260
capranov's assistance our team succeeded

574
00:21:38,390 --> 00:21:36,179
in making contact with a previously

575
00:21:40,789 --> 00:21:38,400
hidden Echelon of UFO researchers

576
00:21:43,130 --> 00:21:40,799
dedicated scientists who had pursued

577
00:21:45,649 --> 00:21:43,140
their interest in Alien visitors during

578
00:21:47,390 --> 00:21:45,659
the darkest days of Communism and whose

579
00:21:49,970 --> 00:21:47,400
findings have never before seen the

580
00:21:51,289 --> 00:21:49,980
light of day so he told us look I didn't

581
00:21:53,750 --> 00:21:51,299
really think this was going to lead

582
00:21:55,250 --> 00:21:53,760
anywhere but now I'm amazed to find out

583
00:21:58,250 --> 00:21:55,260
that there really have been these

584
00:22:01,010 --> 00:21:58,260
studies and investigations for a long

585
00:22:03,049 --> 00:22:01,020
time the second person we met was maybe

586
00:22:05,510 --> 00:22:03,059
the most important person of all his

587
00:22:07,370 --> 00:22:05,520
name was Colonel Boris sokolov and he

588
00:22:09,529 --> 00:22:07,380
was from a distinguished military family

589
00:22:11,510 --> 00:22:09,539
his father and grandfather had been

590
00:22:14,210 --> 00:22:11,520
high-ranking officers in the Russian

591
00:22:18,230 --> 00:22:14,220
military and he was given an amazing

592
00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:18,240
assignment in 1978. in 1978 there was an

593
00:22:22,370 --> 00:22:19,860
incident called the Petros about

594
00:22:24,409 --> 00:22:22,380
incident Petro savatsky is a place where

595
00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:24,419
they would launch missiles for satellite

596
00:22:29,149 --> 00:22:26,880
systems based program things of that

597
00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:29,159
sort something happened over Petros

598
00:22:33,950 --> 00:22:32,280
about 1978 this Jack there's photos that

599
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:33,960
I have but we got from the Russian

600
00:22:38,930 --> 00:22:36,240
military of this gigantic sort of

601
00:22:41,270 --> 00:22:38,940
jellyfish looking object over the

602
00:22:44,510 --> 00:22:41,280
Russian military base the official

603
00:22:46,730 --> 00:22:44,520
explanation was oh yeah a a Russian

604
00:22:47,990 --> 00:22:46,740
missile exploded this was a mistake

605
00:22:49,909 --> 00:22:48,000
sorry

606
00:22:52,070 --> 00:22:49,919
that's not what happened it was

607
00:22:53,750 --> 00:22:52,080
something unknown and the reason we know

608
00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:53,760
that is because the Russians went ahead

609
00:22:57,890 --> 00:22:55,980
and as a result of that incident and

610
00:23:01,310 --> 00:22:57,900
other incidences that have been looked

611
00:23:03,470 --> 00:23:01,320
at they launched a study of UFOs and the

612
00:23:05,029 --> 00:23:03,480
order went out from Colonel sokolov who

613
00:23:07,789 --> 00:23:05,039
was put in charge of this amazing

614
00:23:10,669 --> 00:23:07,799
program he said every unit in the vast

615
00:23:12,049 --> 00:23:10,679
Russian military Empire Army Navy Air

616
00:23:14,390 --> 00:23:12,059
Force all of them

617
00:23:17,870 --> 00:23:14,400
anybody who sees an unknown ball of

618
00:23:19,970 --> 00:23:17,880
light uh mystery object a craft a UFO

619
00:23:22,130 --> 00:23:19,980
whatever the heck it is you have to

620
00:23:24,289 --> 00:23:22,140
collect that information interrogate the

621
00:23:26,029 --> 00:23:24,299
witnesses put it all into a report and

622
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:26,039
it all has to go one place and the place

623
00:23:32,690 --> 00:23:29,120
it went is Colonel borisokalov's desk

624
00:23:38,110 --> 00:23:32,700
first an order was given to those Pilots

625
00:23:44,690 --> 00:23:42,590
40 episodes like this like that hundreds

626
00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:44,700
of sokolov's most intriguing cases were

627
00:23:48,710 --> 00:23:47,220
compiled into this thick value although

628
00:23:50,870 --> 00:23:48,720
much of the data is still being

629
00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:50,880
evaluated it appears the Russians

630
00:23:55,430 --> 00:23:52,860
accumulated a mammoth amount of

631
00:23:57,110 --> 00:23:55,440
information about UFOs the assumption

632
00:23:59,570 --> 00:23:57,120
that these craft were from somewhere

633
00:24:01,970 --> 00:23:59,580
else perhaps outer space became a

634
00:24:03,890 --> 00:24:01,980
foregone conclusion wow you were able to

635
00:24:05,029 --> 00:24:03,900
find this guy but what is that what is

636
00:24:06,770 --> 00:24:05,039
the jellyfish thing you're talking about

637
00:24:08,810 --> 00:24:06,780
explain that this is Petrus of odds

638
00:24:12,230 --> 00:24:08,820
because there's a fairly famous photo

639
00:24:14,750 --> 00:24:12,240
now of an object these shards of light

640
00:24:17,390 --> 00:24:14,760
that look like a jellyfish like that was

641
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:17,400
classified like as a UAP or UFO yeah the

642
00:24:21,649 --> 00:24:18,900
Russian government officially said oh

643
00:24:24,169 --> 00:24:21,659
yeah this is a rocket that blew up but

644
00:24:25,909 --> 00:24:24,179
the fact is they launched a secret study

645
00:24:27,710 --> 00:24:25,919
of UFOs because they knew that's not

646
00:24:29,210 --> 00:24:27,720
what it was it was something else and

647
00:24:31,010 --> 00:24:29,220
they needed to get to the bottom of it

648
00:24:33,230 --> 00:24:31,020
so the person they put in charge with

649
00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:33,240
Colonel sokolov had a distinguished

650
00:24:37,490 --> 00:24:35,340
record he was retired at the time we

651
00:24:39,169 --> 00:24:37,500
found him and he was he was a little

652
00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:39,179
nervous about talking to us but he

653
00:24:42,409 --> 00:24:40,860
warmed up to us and then like all the

654
00:24:46,430 --> 00:24:42,419
Russians that we met

655
00:24:48,590 --> 00:24:46,440
you know his his Abode was pretty humble

656
00:24:50,510 --> 00:24:48,600
uh it was clear he doesn't make a lot of

657
00:24:52,909 --> 00:24:50,520
money his retirement benefits from the

658
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:52,919
Russian military he's he's not well off

659
00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:54,900
but he's spread out a bunch of food it

660
00:24:58,549 --> 00:24:56,700
must have been like a month's salary for

661
00:25:00,890 --> 00:24:58,559
the guy he and his wife welcomed this

662
00:25:02,870 --> 00:25:00,900
into his home we struck up a

663
00:25:04,190 --> 00:25:02,880
conversation eventually he loosened up a

664
00:25:06,830 --> 00:25:04,200
little bit and started talking to us

665
00:25:08,990 --> 00:25:06,840
about the program that he uh headed up

666
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:09,000
he put it this way one of the interviews

667
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:11,520
we did he said in essence

668
00:25:16,730 --> 00:25:14,700
the entire USSR was one big UFO

669
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:16,740
listening post it was a tremendous

670
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,980
experiment it was in all likelihood the

671
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:22,320
largest UFO investigation ever done in

672
00:25:26,029 --> 00:25:23,520
the history of the world bigger than

673
00:25:29,690 --> 00:25:26,039
anything we've done so Russia was

674
00:25:32,090 --> 00:25:29,700
studying sincerely UFOs for all those

675
00:25:34,430 --> 00:25:32,100
decades and the world didn't know about

676
00:25:36,110 --> 00:25:34,440
it officially in any way no we had no

677
00:25:38,149 --> 00:25:36,120
idea maybe there was somebody in the CIA

678
00:25:40,430 --> 00:25:38,159
and knew about this but it was kept very

679
00:25:43,010 --> 00:25:40,440
quiet until we came back with the goods

680
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:43,020
he said this let the study that study

681
00:25:47,570 --> 00:25:45,240
lasted 10 full years thousands and

682
00:25:49,730 --> 00:25:47,580
thousands of reports came in and some of

683
00:25:51,789 --> 00:25:49,740
them were really spectacular and I was

684
00:25:53,930 --> 00:25:51,799
allowed to not only see the the

685
00:25:56,810 --> 00:25:53,940
documents but to bring a lot of them

686
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,820
back and uh I'll give you something you

687
00:26:00,409 --> 00:25:58,320
weren't allowed to bring a lot of them

688
00:26:02,630 --> 00:26:00,419
back but somehow you obtained them in

689
00:26:04,549 --> 00:26:02,640
Russia right so what is that like so

690
00:26:06,590 --> 00:26:04,559
basically you're talking with a guy who

691
00:26:08,810 --> 00:26:06,600
headed a UFO program in Russia one of

692
00:26:10,010 --> 00:26:08,820
the probably the top dogs for the UFO

693
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:10,020
study do you think it was one of the top

694
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:13,200
dogs he was the top he was the of UFO

695
00:26:17,090 --> 00:26:15,480
studies in Russia during the Cold War

696
00:26:18,409 --> 00:26:17,100
for a whole 10-year period and you're

697
00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:18,419
sitting down having dinner with his

698
00:26:21,110 --> 00:26:19,919
family because you just had a hunch

699
00:26:22,909 --> 00:26:21,120
maybe you'd be able to get something

700
00:26:25,669 --> 00:26:22,919
good yeah and he showed us some things

701
00:26:27,890 --> 00:26:25,679
and then later we made some arrangements

702
00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:27,900
to try to get some physical copies the

703
00:26:31,789 --> 00:26:29,820
original the original documents not just

704
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:31,799
copies and um

705
00:26:35,930 --> 00:26:34,559
starting with the orders the orders that

706
00:26:38,090 --> 00:26:35,940
went out from the ministry of defense

707
00:26:40,970 --> 00:26:38,100
that described us that went to every

708
00:26:42,950 --> 00:26:40,980
military unit in the USSR or what used

709
00:26:45,529 --> 00:26:42,960
to be the USSR and they all had to

710
00:26:48,230 --> 00:26:45,539
comply now um there are some limitations

711
00:26:51,049 --> 00:26:48,240
on it as sokolov and others were to tell

712
00:26:53,390 --> 00:26:51,059
us later some of the best cases during

713
00:26:56,230 --> 00:26:53,400
that 10-year period very likely were

714
00:26:58,970 --> 00:26:56,240
siphoned off by the KGB there was a KGB

715
00:27:02,450 --> 00:26:58,980
officer assigned to pretty much all

716
00:27:04,370 --> 00:27:02,460
Ministry of Defense units at one point

717
00:27:07,310 --> 00:27:04,380
or another so anything that was really

718
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,320
tasty or uh interesting went to them

719
00:27:12,529 --> 00:27:10,080
first a lot of that stuff went to KGB

720
00:27:14,149 --> 00:27:12,539
that I did not get to see but the stuff

721
00:27:15,890 --> 00:27:14,159
that was left over was absolutely

722
00:27:17,750 --> 00:27:15,900
spectacular

723
00:27:19,190 --> 00:27:17,760
um he he said there was thousands and

724
00:27:20,810 --> 00:27:19,200
thousands of cases you didn't have to

725
00:27:23,090 --> 00:27:20,820
have the whole number but he gave us

726
00:27:25,430 --> 00:27:23,100
some highlights for one thing he said

727
00:27:28,010 --> 00:27:25,440
there were 40 different incidents in

728
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:28,020
those uh in those 10 years where Russian

729
00:27:33,169 --> 00:27:31,080
war planes were chased after UFOs the

730
00:27:35,810 --> 00:27:33,179
UFOs would appear here in the sky or on

731
00:27:38,269 --> 00:27:35,820
radar they sent the the warplanes after

732
00:27:40,250 --> 00:27:38,279
them to shoot them down and I I think I

733
00:27:42,529 --> 00:27:40,260
can quote them exactly he said

734
00:27:45,470 --> 00:27:42,539
a standing order was given to our Pilots

735
00:27:48,049 --> 00:27:45,480
to chase UFOs and to shoot if necessary

736
00:27:51,110 --> 00:27:48,059
there were 40 cases in which our Pilots

737
00:27:53,390 --> 00:27:51,120
chased UFOs tried to shoot in most cases

738
00:27:55,850 --> 00:27:53,400
the UFO would speed up and get away but

739
00:27:56,990 --> 00:27:55,860
in three cases the pilots crashed two of

740
00:27:59,149 --> 00:27:57,000
them died

741
00:28:01,310 --> 00:27:59,159
after that the order was given the

742
00:28:04,149 --> 00:28:01,320
pilots who see UFOs should change course

743
00:28:06,590 --> 00:28:04,159
and get out all Pilots agreed we later

744
00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:06,600
in a later visit when I went back to

745
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,640
Russia we interviewed General boltsev

746
00:28:13,310 --> 00:28:10,080
who was the commander of the Russian air

747
00:28:16,730 --> 00:28:13,320
defenses and he said look we pushed put

748
00:28:19,430 --> 00:28:16,740
out that order because in effect we

749
00:28:21,769 --> 00:28:19,440
concluded that the UFOs had quote

750
00:28:24,110 --> 00:28:21,779
incredible capacities for retaliation

751
00:28:26,510 --> 00:28:24,120
don't shoot them they will blow your ass

752
00:28:28,610 --> 00:28:26,520
out of the sky which is what they did uh

753
00:28:30,890 --> 00:28:28,620
they gave us photos of a couple of the

754
00:28:33,710 --> 00:28:30,900
the planes that had gone down and and

755
00:28:36,169 --> 00:28:33,720
other planes or Russian war planes that

756
00:28:39,169 --> 00:28:36,179
had crashed and that had collided with

757
00:28:41,149 --> 00:28:39,179
UFOs in midair and their wings are are

758
00:28:43,430 --> 00:28:41,159
broken so man this is gold this is great

759
00:28:44,990 --> 00:28:43,440
they have those photos I do yeah with

760
00:28:46,549 --> 00:28:45,000
you no I don't have them with me but

761
00:28:48,370 --> 00:28:46,559
we'll show yeah let's show I can bring

762
00:28:50,470 --> 00:28:48,380
them to you

763
00:28:53,930 --> 00:28:50,480
foreign

764
00:28:55,789 --> 00:28:53,940
1991 radar the Leningrad airport detects

765
00:28:58,250 --> 00:28:55,799
first one then two then three

766
00:29:00,830 --> 00:28:58,260
unidentified objects hovering over a

767
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:00,840
nuclear plant from a dead stop the UFO

768
00:29:07,070 --> 00:29:03,840
zipped away at 2 000 miles per hour the

769
00:29:09,289 --> 00:29:07,080
Euros 1976 a photographer clicks this

770
00:29:13,010 --> 00:29:09,299
shot and later provides a more detailed

771
00:29:14,930 --> 00:29:13,020
drawing May 1992 a military team in the

772
00:29:17,690 --> 00:29:14,940
cola Peninsula tapes this spinning

773
00:29:20,510 --> 00:29:17,700
object into blitzy a crew shooting a

774
00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:20,520
music video spots this overhead today

775
00:29:25,250 --> 00:29:22,320
average Russians are free to discuss

776
00:29:28,310 --> 00:29:25,260
UFOs but it wasn't always so through the

777
00:29:31,310 --> 00:29:28,320
50s and 60s the Kremlin declared UFOs a

778
00:29:33,169 --> 00:29:31,320
capitalist creation thus a non-topic but

779
00:29:37,570 --> 00:29:33,179
behind the scenes Stalin and other

780
00:29:40,310 --> 00:29:37,580
leaders authorized secret UFO studies

781
00:29:42,590 --> 00:29:40,320
retired Colonel Bora sokolov commanded

782
00:29:44,389 --> 00:29:42,600
such a study for 10 years the study

783
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:44,399
included 40 incidents of Russian

784
00:29:49,490 --> 00:29:47,760
warplanes encountering UFOs one Mig had

785
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,500
its wing damaged and a collision with

786
00:29:54,169 --> 00:29:51,840
the UFO foreign

787
00:29:56,210 --> 00:29:54,179
the other uh maybe the other highlight

788
00:29:58,669 --> 00:29:56,220
for sokolov was something he told us

789
00:30:02,750 --> 00:29:58,679
about a very dramatic incident similar

790
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:02,760
to Malmstrom he said in in October 4th

791
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:06,000
of 1982 in what is now the Ukraine near

792
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:10,140
usovo uh there's a Russian ICBM base a

793
00:30:15,049 --> 00:30:12,240
nuclear missile base these missiles are

794
00:30:18,350 --> 00:30:15,059
ready primed aimed at the U.S and and

795
00:30:20,810 --> 00:30:18,360
the UK and they're ready to go if if it

796
00:30:23,230 --> 00:30:20,820
hits the fan they're ready to go so over

797
00:30:27,169 --> 00:30:23,240
a period of several hours in this base

798
00:30:29,330 --> 00:30:27,179
UFOs appear a gigantic UFO and then much

799
00:30:31,730 --> 00:30:29,340
smaller UFOs some of them were in like

800
00:30:35,330 --> 00:30:31,740
constellations some of them triangular

801
00:30:37,190 --> 00:30:35,340
big UFOs would split apart then milled

802
00:30:39,049 --> 00:30:37,200
back together zip around perform

803
00:30:41,690 --> 00:30:39,059
incredible Maneuvers this went on for

804
00:30:44,389 --> 00:30:41,700
four hours all of the witness reports

805
00:30:47,570 --> 00:30:44,399
they're all Russian Military Officers

806
00:30:49,010 --> 00:30:47,580
captain and above captains and the

807
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:49,020
lieutenant Colonels and things of that

808
00:30:53,690 --> 00:30:51,840
sort they all had to file reports and

809
00:30:56,090 --> 00:30:53,700
that would be interesting by itself

810
00:30:58,250 --> 00:30:56,100
because we've seen a lot of American

811
00:31:00,889 --> 00:30:58,260
cases where UFOs appear over nuclear

812
00:31:01,850 --> 00:31:00,899
missile bases facilities Labs things of

813
00:31:04,250 --> 00:31:01,860
that sort

814
00:31:06,889 --> 00:31:04,260
this thing culminated with a very

815
00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:06,899
dramatic incident where the UFOs are

816
00:31:11,810 --> 00:31:08,760
over the base suddenly the launch

817
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:11,820
control officer who's in charge of in

818
00:31:16,730 --> 00:31:14,640
essence pressing the button says

819
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:16,740
something entered launch control codes

820
00:31:21,889 --> 00:31:19,200
all these all these lights on the launch

821
00:31:24,110 --> 00:31:21,899
control system light up the codes the

822
00:31:26,029 --> 00:31:24,120
proper codes are entered to enable these

823
00:31:27,950 --> 00:31:26,039
missiles the missiles are ready to go

824
00:31:30,350 --> 00:31:27,960
and they can't do anything to stop them

825
00:31:32,810 --> 00:31:30,360
we are minutes away from World War III

826
00:31:35,510 --> 00:31:32,820
breaking out and they can't stop it in

827
00:31:37,570 --> 00:31:35,520
1982 a UFO hovered over a nuclear

828
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:37,580
missile base in the Ukraine for hours

829
00:31:42,470 --> 00:31:40,260
unexplainably codes were entered and the

830
00:31:46,130 --> 00:31:42,480
missiles were ready for launch until the

831
00:31:49,430 --> 00:31:46,140
UFO vanished and then suddenly UFO

832
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:49,440
vanishes over the base goes away the the

833
00:31:55,070 --> 00:31:51,120
launch control system goes back to

834
00:31:58,850 --> 00:31:55,080
normal and they were flabbergasted

835
00:32:02,090 --> 00:31:58,860
these are the original reports of the

836
00:32:06,649 --> 00:32:02,100
Ukraine incident so the ICBM incident

837
00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:06,659
um so this is the the Russian Witnesses

838
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:09,240
official stamps on them all of these

839
00:32:14,230 --> 00:32:12,000
Witnesses who describe what they saw

840
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:14,240
were officers

841
00:32:19,610 --> 00:32:17,340
captains and above they're not just you

842
00:32:21,529 --> 00:32:19,620
know a raw recruit these are officers

843
00:32:23,029 --> 00:32:21,539
who had some credibility with their

844
00:32:24,710 --> 00:32:23,039
government and they've submitted this

845
00:32:27,649 --> 00:32:24,720
official report about these strange

846
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:27,659
craft they had seen and a lot of the

847
00:32:31,970 --> 00:32:29,700
descriptions are pretty spectacular

848
00:32:34,010 --> 00:32:31,980
right I mean this isn't you know a

849
00:32:36,169 --> 00:32:34,020
tabloid getting reports about UFOs this

850
00:32:38,210 --> 00:32:36,179
is a government yeah this goes to their

851
00:32:40,010 --> 00:32:38,220
higher ups this is not a tabloid report

852
00:32:42,110 --> 00:32:40,020
this went to their higher ups and of

853
00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:42,120
course they're going to try to be as

854
00:32:47,450 --> 00:32:44,279
accurate and as truthful as they can but

855
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:47,460
some of that stuff is their descriptions

856
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:50,340
are spectacular and then here are the uh

857
00:32:56,149 --> 00:32:53,360
these are the the initial

858
00:33:01,480 --> 00:32:56,159
interpretations that we got translations

859
00:33:05,630 --> 00:33:03,110
[Music]

860
00:33:08,269 --> 00:33:05,640
it's a you know this is most of this has

861
00:33:10,490 --> 00:33:08,279
never been made public I some one of

862
00:33:12,409 --> 00:33:10,500
these days well Colonel soccer lab gets

863
00:33:15,409 --> 00:33:12,419
the word that this happened sends his

864
00:33:17,509 --> 00:33:15,419
team to yusobo and this base uh to

865
00:33:19,610 --> 00:33:17,519
figure it out they took the whole launch

866
00:33:21,769 --> 00:33:19,620
control system apart could not figure

867
00:33:23,389 --> 00:33:21,779
out what had gone on I asked them what

868
00:33:25,490 --> 00:33:23,399
does it mean he said well we took it as

869
00:33:26,570 --> 00:33:25,500
a message from the UFO people whoever

870
00:33:29,149 --> 00:33:26,580
they are

871
00:33:31,070 --> 00:33:29,159
that this might be your most powerful

872
00:33:32,810 --> 00:33:31,080
weapon system but really it doesn't

873
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:32,820
oppress us that much we can control it

874
00:33:37,250 --> 00:33:35,519
they were flabbergasted yeah it's like

875
00:33:39,169 --> 00:33:37,260
it's like nothing to us is kind of the

876
00:33:41,570 --> 00:33:39,179
message so they did they think at any

877
00:33:43,669 --> 00:33:41,580
time that it was the U.S with new toys

878
00:33:44,990 --> 00:33:43,679
that were that were doing this or well I

879
00:33:46,549 --> 00:33:45,000
think they probably somewhere in the

880
00:33:48,409 --> 00:33:46,559
back of their head would have had that

881
00:33:50,450 --> 00:33:48,419
in mind they they thought it was UFOs

882
00:33:52,009 --> 00:33:50,460
not Americans and and I learned that

883
00:33:54,909 --> 00:33:52,019
from not only soccer law but other

884
00:33:57,649 --> 00:33:54,919
people that we came to interview

885
00:34:00,230 --> 00:33:57,659
what's the point of studying this is

886
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:00,240
just scientific curiosity he said no in

887
00:34:04,430 --> 00:34:02,640
one word it's Stealth at that time we

888
00:34:06,830 --> 00:34:04,440
had these stealth capabilities that they

889
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:06,840
were just learning about we could outdo

890
00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:08,820
anything that they had they did not have

891
00:34:12,109 --> 00:34:10,500
the technology to compete with us on

892
00:34:13,909 --> 00:34:12,119
that level and he said we wanted to

893
00:34:16,070 --> 00:34:13,919
figure out the technology we knew that

894
00:34:18,230 --> 00:34:16,080
these UFOs were real that they could do

895
00:34:20,450 --> 00:34:18,240
things that not only even you could do

896
00:34:22,730 --> 00:34:20,460
you Americans could do and we figure if

897
00:34:25,310 --> 00:34:22,740
we could duplicate that technology

898
00:34:28,070 --> 00:34:25,320
we could have an advantage over you in

899
00:34:30,649 --> 00:34:28,080
terms of stealth set it flat out that

900
00:34:32,389 --> 00:34:30,659
was um that was Amplified by the next

901
00:34:35,389 --> 00:34:32,399
witness that we got his name was Dr

902
00:34:37,970 --> 00:34:35,399
romili avramenko and he was a a

903
00:34:40,250 --> 00:34:37,980
scientist physicist who had worked on

904
00:34:43,010 --> 00:34:40,260
the Russian version of their Star Wars

905
00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:43,020
program and even when I came into the

906
00:34:47,510 --> 00:34:44,520
room there was this little funny looking

907
00:34:49,010 --> 00:34:47,520
uh blue plastic device sitting on the

908
00:34:51,710 --> 00:34:49,020
table I wonder what the heck is that it

909
00:34:53,690 --> 00:34:51,720
he comes in and he showed it to me he

910
00:34:55,609 --> 00:34:53,700
put a razor blade on top of it and he

911
00:34:57,170 --> 00:34:55,619
pressed a button and goes bam oh I

912
00:34:59,329 --> 00:34:57,180
remember that footage you've shown that

913
00:35:01,130 --> 00:34:59,339
to me yeah that's actually it's a laser

914
00:35:02,390 --> 00:35:01,140
it just blew it blew a hole in this

915
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:02,400
thing I said well what's that got to do

916
00:35:05,930 --> 00:35:04,200
with this he says we call that the

917
00:35:08,010 --> 00:35:05,940
weapon of the aliens we've been working

918
00:35:09,770 --> 00:35:08,020
on this as well

919
00:35:13,670 --> 00:35:09,780
[Music]

920
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:13,680
there that's us with Nikolai me Bryant

921
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:15,240
talking to regular Russians on the

922
00:35:18,530 --> 00:35:16,079
street

923
00:35:21,170 --> 00:35:18,540
Brian Blackburn he was just such a great

924
00:35:22,430 --> 00:35:21,180
photographer just a great guy he was a

925
00:35:25,730 --> 00:35:22,440
roommate of mine for a couple of years

926
00:35:28,790 --> 00:35:25,740
too and then uh he passed on

927
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:28,800
that is Dr

928
00:35:33,650 --> 00:35:31,380
amilli avramenko that's the little

929
00:35:35,630 --> 00:35:33,660
device that he showed us and he put a

930
00:35:37,910 --> 00:35:35,640
razor blade on the little device and

931
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:37,920
pressed a button and a blue hole in this

932
00:35:42,230 --> 00:35:40,020
thing it was a laser device which he

933
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,240
called the weapon of the aliens he had

934
00:35:46,670 --> 00:35:44,640
never spoken to reporters not Russian

935
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:46,680
reporters not American reporters but he

936
00:35:53,390 --> 00:35:51,180
spoke to us and told us he told us about

937
00:35:55,190 --> 00:35:53,400
the satellites since the earliest days

938
00:35:56,690 --> 00:35:55,200
of the Russian space program that they

939
00:35:58,970 --> 00:35:56,700
had satellites up there that could

940
00:36:00,770 --> 00:35:58,980
detect things coming in and out and he

941
00:36:02,810 --> 00:36:00,780
said the Russians saw them coming in and

942
00:36:04,670 --> 00:36:02,820
out he knew that the Americans saw them

943
00:36:07,370 --> 00:36:04,680
coming in and out there was no question

944
00:36:09,290 --> 00:36:07,380
that our government knew these were from

945
00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:09,300
somewhere else

946
00:36:15,890 --> 00:36:13,260
he was leading their program of SDI Star

947
00:36:18,650 --> 00:36:15,900
Wars program to try to duplicate the

948
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,660
weapon of the aliens and so I get his

949
00:36:23,150 --> 00:36:20,880
backstory he had lived in one of these

950
00:36:25,370 --> 00:36:23,160
secret cities that don't appear on a map

951
00:36:27,170 --> 00:36:25,380
he had never published an article he had

952
00:36:28,970 --> 00:36:27,180
never spoken to a journalist he'd

953
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:28,980
working in these underground facilities

954
00:36:34,130 --> 00:36:31,500
on top secret stuff

955
00:36:36,230 --> 00:36:34,140
and he talked to me and we went into the

956
00:36:38,089 --> 00:36:36,240
UFO stuff he had been in the Russian

957
00:36:40,130 --> 00:36:38,099
working for the Russian military for

958
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:40,140
decades and he said among other things

959
00:36:47,210 --> 00:36:43,920
he says he said we know that you know

960
00:36:48,890 --> 00:36:47,220
about UFOs because we know about it we

961
00:36:51,290 --> 00:36:48,900
know you've got the same systems up

962
00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:51,300
there and down here detecting these

963
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,400
things that we've been doing so you said

964
00:36:57,650 --> 00:36:55,680
so basically he was this is confirming

965
00:37:00,230 --> 00:36:57,660
what I had always wondered about

966
00:37:02,750 --> 00:37:00,240
how much they know about what we know on

967
00:37:04,190 --> 00:37:02,760
UFOs and he said it all right then let

968
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,200
me see if I can find this yeah so so

969
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:07,200
basically at this time he's saying we

970
00:37:10,370 --> 00:37:08,940
know that you have satellite systems We

971
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:10,380
Know that You observe UFOs I mean how

972
00:37:13,609 --> 00:37:11,760
can you not if you have these systems

973
00:37:15,050 --> 00:37:13,619
and he's straight up telling you he's

974
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:15,060
straight up telling you that we have

975
00:37:20,210 --> 00:37:17,280
developed or reverse engineered a weapon

976
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:20,220
system a laser weapon system and he had

977
00:37:23,690 --> 00:37:21,839
a little prototype little model on his

978
00:37:25,970 --> 00:37:23,700
desk we are trying to duplicate what we

979
00:37:28,970 --> 00:37:25,980
say as alien technology he says this is

980
00:37:30,950 --> 00:37:28,980
the quote program in 1959 the first good

981
00:37:32,210 --> 00:37:30,960
Radars were made and we could see what

982
00:37:34,430 --> 00:37:32,220
was happening all around the earth

983
00:37:36,050 --> 00:37:34,440
recall the Russians were way ahead of us

984
00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:36,060
in the space program back in those days

985
00:37:41,210 --> 00:37:39,480
before our Apollo program in 1959 the

986
00:37:42,650 --> 00:37:41,220
first good Radars were made we could see

987
00:37:44,990 --> 00:37:42,660
what was happening all around the earth

988
00:37:47,690 --> 00:37:45,000
we could count all the satellites easily

989
00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:47,700
but we also saw Vehicles whose technical

990
00:37:53,150 --> 00:37:49,800
capabilities cannot be matched even

991
00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:53,160
today we saw tens of these in 1959 and

992
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:55,020
we know they must also have caused

993
00:37:59,569 --> 00:37:57,180
problems for the U.S defense system he

994
00:38:02,270 --> 00:37:59,579
said that the he the Russians had

995
00:38:04,849 --> 00:38:02,280
learned that U.S had 40 different

996
00:38:07,130 --> 00:38:04,859
satellite systems that were designed to

997
00:38:09,349 --> 00:38:07,140
detect UFOs that was their primary job

998
00:38:11,569 --> 00:38:09,359
hidden in The Archives of the ministry

999
00:38:14,329 --> 00:38:11,579
of defense is solid evidence of Russian

1000
00:38:17,089 --> 00:38:14,339
UFO encounters on Earth and in space

1001
00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:17,099
what's more the Russian government knows

1002
00:38:21,650 --> 00:38:19,500
that the American government knows

1003
00:38:23,990 --> 00:38:21,660
because the Soviets got to jump on the

1004
00:38:26,990 --> 00:38:24,000
U.S in the Space Race they also had the

1005
00:38:28,609 --> 00:38:27,000
first outer space UFO sightings Yuri

1006
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:28,619
Gagarin the first man in space

1007
00:38:33,290 --> 00:38:31,260
reportedly saw UFOs during his flight

1008
00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:33,300
but said he was not permitted to talk

1009
00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:34,380
about it

1010
00:38:39,829 --> 00:38:36,660
the second Russian in space not only saw

1011
00:38:42,530 --> 00:38:39,839
UFOs but filmed them one frame of that

1012
00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:42,540
film showing several UFOs dancing around

1013
00:38:46,550 --> 00:38:44,820
the capsule was published in a Soviet

1014
00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:46,560
magazine years later

1015
00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:49,260
scientist romili avramenko one of the

1016
00:38:53,690 --> 00:38:51,240
chief designers of Russia's Star Wars

1017
00:38:56,030 --> 00:38:53,700
program says the Soviet government knew

1018
00:39:01,069 --> 00:38:56,040
UFOs were from somewhere else since day

1019
00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,530
at that time satellites in space were

1020
00:39:07,970 --> 00:39:05,760
easily accountable but we also saw

1021
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:07,980
Vehicles whose technical characteristics

1022
00:39:14,870 --> 00:39:11,400
we cannot match even now we saw tens of

1023
00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:14,880
these in 1959. surely the existence of

1024
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:16,859
these vehicles caused problems for the

1025
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:19,140
U.S defense systems because you are

1026
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:22,880
faced with this information as well

1027
00:39:27,290 --> 00:39:25,200
these still classified Ministry of

1028
00:39:29,870 --> 00:39:27,300
Defense documents never before seen in

1029
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:29,880
public reveal that Russian spies learned

1030
00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,740
a great deal about UFO encounters

1031
00:39:35,750 --> 00:39:34,320
involving American astronauts the

1032
00:39:37,609 --> 00:39:35,760
Russians are convinced there were

1033
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:37,619
several direct encounters with UFOs

1034
00:39:41,690 --> 00:39:39,780
while American astronauts were on the

1035
00:39:43,550 --> 00:39:41,700
moon and that the Americans haven't

1036
00:39:46,849 --> 00:39:43,560
returned to the Moon because we were

1037
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:46,859
told to stay away several high-ranking

1038
00:39:50,510 --> 00:39:48,660
military and scientific sources

1039
00:39:52,730 --> 00:39:50,520
confirmed that the Russians knew much

1040
00:39:55,270 --> 00:39:52,740
about the ongoing UFO cover-up in

1041
00:40:00,050 --> 00:39:57,950
retired army colonel Boris sokolov was

1042
00:40:02,450 --> 00:40:00,060
in charge of the Soviets secret UFO

1043
00:40:04,970 --> 00:40:02,460
projects for 10 years and says he knew

1044
00:40:08,030 --> 00:40:04,980
that the U.S military had constructed 40

1045
00:40:10,550 --> 00:40:08,040
UFO listening posts as part of its UFO

1046
00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:10,560
research it's almost as if we've learned

1047
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:13,140
more from Russia about the U.S that was

1048
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:14,640
the point that's what you told me once

1049
00:40:18,890 --> 00:40:16,800
and now I understand it he was he was

1050
00:40:20,450 --> 00:40:18,900
incredible and I hope nothing bad has

1051
00:40:22,849 --> 00:40:20,460
happened to him for talking to us but I

1052
00:40:26,270 --> 00:40:22,859
have not had any contact since third guy

1053
00:40:29,270 --> 00:40:26,280
we talked to is Dr Dr Valeri budikov he

1054
00:40:31,069 --> 00:40:29,280
was a well-regarded scientist he at the

1055
00:40:33,410 --> 00:40:31,079
Moscow Institute of Technology had

1056
00:40:36,770 --> 00:40:33,420
degrees from there taught there his

1057
00:40:38,990 --> 00:40:36,780
mentor was a guy named Sergey korlov

1058
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,000
Sergio corloff was the father of the

1059
00:40:43,790 --> 00:40:41,760
Russian Space Program the Russian rocket

1060
00:40:46,190 --> 00:40:43,800
program he had built him he designed him

1061
00:40:48,470 --> 00:40:46,200
he was their top guy he had been in that

1062
00:40:50,990 --> 00:40:48,480
position since Joseph Stalin's day so in

1063
00:40:53,150 --> 00:40:51,000
1947 something really interesting

1064
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:53,160
happened in New Mexico there had been a

1065
00:40:57,710 --> 00:40:54,900
crash of something that had been

1066
00:40:59,109 --> 00:40:57,720
reported in the news media a UFO a

1067
00:41:01,970 --> 00:40:59,119
flying saucer or something like that

1068
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:01,980
Stalin calls corloff into his office

1069
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,320
said what's the deal what crashed out

1070
00:41:08,630 --> 00:41:06,720
there see what you can find out and

1071
00:41:10,130 --> 00:41:08,640
corloff set about to try to figure it

1072
00:41:12,170 --> 00:41:10,140
out and the Russians at that time had

1073
00:41:14,210 --> 00:41:12,180
all kinds of spies in New Mexico of

1074
00:41:16,430 --> 00:41:14,220
course they would we had the only atomic

1075
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:16,440
bomb Wing in the world was there at

1076
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,260
Roswell the White Sands Missile base was

1077
00:41:23,690 --> 00:41:21,359
experiment experimenting with with

1078
00:41:26,030 --> 00:41:23,700
missiles we had Los Alamos lab there

1079
00:41:28,190 --> 00:41:26,040
were the whole of New Mexico was

1080
00:41:29,870 --> 00:41:28,200
honeycombed with Russian spies so

1081
00:41:31,910 --> 00:41:29,880
karoloff comes back in a couple of weeks

1082
00:41:34,310 --> 00:41:31,920
says well I've I've reached out to all

1083
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:34,320
of our special assets in New Mexico and

1084
00:41:38,030 --> 00:41:35,400
they told me

1085
00:41:40,190 --> 00:41:38,040
this is not ours and it's not theirs

1086
00:41:42,290 --> 00:41:40,200
it's from somewhere else and he points

1087
00:41:44,030 --> 00:41:42,300
up to the sky and Stalin tells Karloff

1088
00:41:46,370 --> 00:41:44,040
yeah that's why I've heard from other

1089
00:41:49,730 --> 00:41:46,380
people too and then he dismisses them

1090
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:49,740
corloff tells this story to Dr budikov

1091
00:41:53,810 --> 00:41:52,680
his his mentor that they were very close

1092
00:41:56,510 --> 00:41:53,820
throughout the rest of their lives

1093
00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,520
budokov tells us the story and he says

1094
00:42:00,589 --> 00:41:58,079
it's pretty well known in certain

1095
00:42:02,270 --> 00:42:00,599
scientific circles and they let us know

1096
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:02,280
too we got him on camera talking about

1097
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,260
it it was amazing so the Russians knew

1098
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:06,720
that what crash in 1947 in Roswell in

1099
00:42:11,390 --> 00:42:09,119
New Mexico wasn't a weather balloon it

1100
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:11,400
wasn't something of ours it wasn't like

1101
00:42:16,849 --> 00:42:13,200
the crazy story we covered on another

1102
00:42:20,089 --> 00:42:16,859
episode it's not some mangala style

1103
00:42:23,210 --> 00:42:20,099
um yeah coming over I mean so so they

1104
00:42:25,250 --> 00:42:23,220
knew that this was extraordinary they

1105
00:42:28,069 --> 00:42:25,260
did for sure yeah that's what they said

1106
00:42:30,710 --> 00:42:28,079
for sure wow so there they have this

1107
00:42:32,810 --> 00:42:30,720
gigantic UFO study that goes on for 10

1108
00:42:34,670 --> 00:42:32,820
years and then another one replaces it

1109
00:42:37,130 --> 00:42:34,680
and they're trying to figure out how do

1110
00:42:38,750 --> 00:42:37,140
we duplicate that technology which

1111
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:38,760
sounds a little familiar for stories

1112
00:42:42,770 --> 00:42:40,920
that we have covered

1113
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:42,780
um the next guy we talked to is a

1114
00:42:47,450 --> 00:42:44,820
general he's a lieutenant general named

1115
00:42:49,970 --> 00:42:47,460
Alexi Savin and I didn't really want to

1116
00:42:52,430 --> 00:42:49,980
delve into uh remote viewing while we

1117
00:42:54,589 --> 00:42:52,440
were there but Lieutenant Savin really

1118
00:42:57,109 --> 00:42:54,599
made a point to make himself available

1119
00:42:59,809 --> 00:42:57,119
to us he had developed in essence a

1120
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,819
remote viewing program and he had uh he

1121
00:43:03,770 --> 00:43:01,920
showed us some training films where they

1122
00:43:05,990 --> 00:43:03,780
would they would take a Russian sailor

1123
00:43:08,150 --> 00:43:06,000
who had been trained in this remote

1124
00:43:09,650 --> 00:43:08,160
viewing protocols put him down on the

1125
00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:09,660
bottom of a ship

1126
00:43:14,990 --> 00:43:12,660
and then ask him to identify where other

1127
00:43:16,430 --> 00:43:15,000
Naval assets were around him without

1128
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:16,440
being able to look out the window and

1129
00:43:20,809 --> 00:43:19,200
see them submarines ships and they were

1130
00:43:22,849 --> 00:43:20,819
really accurate incredibly accurate at

1131
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:22,859
least in this film and then he decided

1132
00:43:26,870 --> 00:43:24,660
that he was going to show that the the

1133
00:43:29,690 --> 00:43:26,880
technology the the techniques could be

1134
00:43:32,210 --> 00:43:29,700
taught to anyone so we walked in to our

1135
00:43:34,430 --> 00:43:32,220
second meeting with him and had a whole

1136
00:43:35,870 --> 00:43:34,440
room full of of women the pretty

1137
00:43:38,510 --> 00:43:35,880
good-looking women they were all

1138
00:43:41,630 --> 00:43:38,520
Housewives regular women not scientists

1139
00:43:44,569 --> 00:43:41,640
that he had picked hand-picked regular

1140
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,579
people to show that this is something

1141
00:43:47,390 --> 00:43:46,079
that could be taught to everyone that

1142
00:43:50,690 --> 00:43:47,400
everyone has some of these kinds of

1143
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,700
abilities and he was showing this Us in

1144
00:43:55,609 --> 00:43:53,280
part because a the remote viewers when

1145
00:43:57,950 --> 00:43:55,619
they got good would run into what he

1146
00:44:00,589 --> 00:43:57,960
called Cosmic intelligences they would

1147
00:44:03,230 --> 00:44:00,599
communicate with other intelligence that

1148
00:44:06,109 --> 00:44:03,240
wasn't from Earth that's that's Brian

1149
00:44:08,450 --> 00:44:06,119
and I with uh General Savin

1150
00:44:09,890 --> 00:44:08,460
and those are some of the women that he

1151
00:44:12,290 --> 00:44:09,900
had recruited they would just find them

1152
00:44:14,390 --> 00:44:12,300
in grocery stores Housewives and he

1153
00:44:17,089 --> 00:44:14,400
wanted to demonstrate that anyone could

1154
00:44:19,370 --> 00:44:17,099
learn to do this remote viewing and his

1155
00:44:20,329 --> 00:44:19,380
conclusion was the his remote viewers

1156
00:44:22,970 --> 00:44:20,339
would

1157
00:44:25,250 --> 00:44:22,980
inevitably end up in contact with what

1158
00:44:26,569 --> 00:44:25,260
he called a cosmic intelligence and he

1159
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:26,579
shared it with us because he thought

1160
00:44:29,870 --> 00:44:28,079
that this shouldn't be something that

1161
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:29,880
the world would know since he actually

1162
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:32,280
took you in to a room to meet people

1163
00:44:36,109 --> 00:44:34,319
that were they were being trained as

1164
00:44:38,390 --> 00:44:36,119
remote viewers for their government

1165
00:44:40,250 --> 00:44:38,400
still even during all the disruption and

1166
00:44:42,890 --> 00:44:40,260
everything and he took you to meet

1167
00:44:45,829 --> 00:44:42,900
everybody yeah he he really wanted

1168
00:44:47,569 --> 00:44:45,839
he felt that this is uh abilities that

1169
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:47,579
should be shared with the world wow he

1170
00:44:51,230 --> 00:44:49,740
was worried that depending on what was

1171
00:44:53,930 --> 00:44:51,240
going to happen which way the political

1172
00:44:56,270 --> 00:44:53,940
winds blow wind blow after what was

1173
00:44:58,609 --> 00:44:56,280
going on there tumultuous times that it

1174
00:45:00,589 --> 00:44:58,619
might be taken back and stuck in a shelf

1175
00:45:02,030 --> 00:45:00,599
and and the public would never get a

1176
00:45:04,430 --> 00:45:02,040
chance to see it he wanted to share it

1177
00:45:06,170 --> 00:45:04,440
with the world because he he had pointed

1178
00:45:07,609 --> 00:45:06,180
out with these women that anybody could

1179
00:45:09,650 --> 00:45:07,619
learn to do this to one degree or

1180
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:09,660
another and and we went we put them

1181
00:45:14,450 --> 00:45:12,540
through their Paces uh they had some

1182
00:45:16,849 --> 00:45:14,460
pretty cool abilities uh some tests

1183
00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:16,859
there was one lady who was uh who

1184
00:45:21,849 --> 00:45:19,560
specialized in developing determining

1185
00:45:24,290 --> 00:45:21,859
medical issues she can size you up

1186
00:45:27,290 --> 00:45:24,300
mentally and figure out what's going on

1187
00:45:29,630 --> 00:45:27,300
with you physically and uh she she was

1188
00:45:31,010 --> 00:45:29,640
pretty right on with me when I'm not

1189
00:45:32,329 --> 00:45:31,020
going to go into details on that but

1190
00:45:34,910 --> 00:45:32,339
there's some things you can look at me

1191
00:45:36,710 --> 00:45:34,920
and figure out without being a psychic

1192
00:45:38,630 --> 00:45:36,720
but she got some stuff that she

1193
00:45:40,970 --> 00:45:38,640
shouldn't have known and it was it was

1194
00:45:42,109 --> 00:45:40,980
so it was impressive to you but so one

1195
00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:42,119
of the things though when you're meeting

1196
00:45:45,589 --> 00:45:43,800
all these people that want this openness

1197
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:45,599
in Russia and kind of don't know what

1198
00:45:47,870 --> 00:45:46,560
the future is going to hold and they're

1199
00:45:49,550 --> 00:45:47,880
telling you about the UFO programs

1200
00:45:50,750 --> 00:45:49,560
giving you documents you're meeting all

1201
00:45:52,490 --> 00:45:50,760
these people

1202
00:45:53,990 --> 00:45:52,500
um what was the whole thing though

1203
00:45:56,270 --> 00:45:54,000
you're meeting these remote viewers that

1204
00:45:58,910 --> 00:45:56,280
talk about Cosmic intelligence that's

1205
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,920
way out for me what does that means okay

1206
00:46:01,730 --> 00:46:00,480
but aliens so what are they they're

1207
00:46:03,710 --> 00:46:01,740
doing remote viewing and all of a sudden

1208
00:46:05,630 --> 00:46:03,720
they run into other intelligences so

1209
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:05,640
they're projecting their Consciousness

1210
00:46:10,069 --> 00:46:07,980
out into the cosmos and then they run

1211
00:46:11,450 --> 00:46:10,079
into somebody else who has a

1212
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:11,460
conversation with them or shares

1213
00:46:15,470 --> 00:46:13,500
information with them or shares images

1214
00:46:17,630 --> 00:46:15,480
some of them would write this stuff down

1215
00:46:19,970 --> 00:46:17,640
almost like channeling or draw pictures

1216
00:46:21,829 --> 00:46:19,980
of what they were encountering it's

1217
00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,839
really very similar to things that I've

1218
00:46:26,030 --> 00:46:24,000
read about Stanford research institute's

1219
00:46:29,390 --> 00:46:26,040
program under how put off and remote

1220
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:29,400
viewing this guy this General wanted me

1221
00:46:33,470 --> 00:46:32,099
made a point of making sure that I would

1222
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:33,480
communicate with people in our

1223
00:46:37,910 --> 00:46:35,460
government so that they could establish

1224
00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:37,920
a dialogue before it was too late he

1225
00:46:41,930 --> 00:46:39,420
wanted to have a line of communication

1226
00:46:43,849 --> 00:46:41,940
that was open to our government before

1227
00:46:45,829 --> 00:46:43,859
something would happen and he gets shut

1228
00:46:47,930 --> 00:46:45,839
down or it all goes back into the closet

1229
00:46:49,730 --> 00:46:47,940
kind of a thing which I did you were

1230
00:46:51,170 --> 00:46:49,740
able to transmit that information to

1231
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:51,180
people within our government or

1232
00:46:55,790 --> 00:46:52,680
intelligence agencies that made it in

1233
00:46:58,130 --> 00:46:55,800
yeah I did that information and other

1234
00:47:00,650 --> 00:46:58,140
information as well there's a name that

1235
00:47:03,050 --> 00:47:00,660
we mentioned some weeks ago on an

1236
00:47:04,849 --> 00:47:03,060
episode of weaponized dick D'Amato dick

1237
00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,859
dimano was uh with the Senate

1238
00:47:09,230 --> 00:47:06,960
intelligence committee he oversaw black

1239
00:47:11,870 --> 00:47:09,240
budget programs he was very interested

1240
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:11,880
in remote viewing and psychic Warfare

1241
00:47:16,609 --> 00:47:14,520
programs he defended them long after the

1242
00:47:18,410 --> 00:47:16,619
Senate wanted to go away he kept it

1243
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:18,420
alive for a long time and I knew he'd be

1244
00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:20,040
interested because I've been talking to

1245
00:47:24,050 --> 00:47:22,140
him in that same time period And I

1246
00:47:26,630 --> 00:47:24,060
shared that information with him and

1247
00:47:27,950 --> 00:47:26,640
then I shared the files and things we'll

1248
00:47:29,569 --> 00:47:27,960
go into that story a little bit later

1249
00:47:33,170 --> 00:47:29,579
sure

1250
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,180
so the 10-year study had ended in 1988.

1251
00:47:37,849 --> 00:47:36,240
soccer lab had retired and he wasn't

1252
00:47:40,130 --> 00:47:37,859
quite sure what had happened with all

1253
00:47:41,690 --> 00:47:40,140
the information well I found out there

1254
00:47:44,569 --> 00:47:41,700
was another program that came afterward

1255
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:44,579
it was called thread three and I I got

1256
00:47:48,230 --> 00:47:46,260
the documents for it and it was

1257
00:47:50,630 --> 00:47:48,240
classified at the time

1258
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:50,640
and it was really interesting I I met

1259
00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:52,680
the guy the guy who'd been in charge of

1260
00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:54,540
it I met him it was a scene ran out of a

1261
00:47:58,550 --> 00:47:57,420
Robert Ludlum novel or something in a

1262
00:48:00,470 --> 00:47:58,560
back alley

1263
00:48:02,450 --> 00:48:00,480
he's wearing a trench coat with a hat

1264
00:48:06,349 --> 00:48:02,460
pulled down and shades looking around

1265
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:06,359
carrying a briefcase we met this guy and

1266
00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:08,460
uh we exchanged information I shared

1267
00:48:11,390 --> 00:48:09,720
some things with him he shared some

1268
00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:11,400
things with me and eventually I was able

1269
00:48:14,329 --> 00:48:12,839
to get some of the thread three

1270
00:48:16,329 --> 00:48:14,339
documents and it was very clear from

1271
00:48:18,650 --> 00:48:16,339
these documents

1272
00:48:20,329 --> 00:48:18,660
I've heard of thread three this is

1273
00:48:21,950 --> 00:48:20,339
because people kind of leaked out the

1274
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,960
stuff that you brought back you've kind

1275
00:48:25,550 --> 00:48:23,760
of entrusted people because you were

1276
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,560
like I'm giving this to to people that

1277
00:48:29,089 --> 00:48:27,599
need it but don't spill the beans but

1278
00:48:31,010 --> 00:48:29,099
I've heard of this so thread three is

1279
00:48:33,050 --> 00:48:31,020
somewhere that was a UFO program it was

1280
00:48:35,329 --> 00:48:33,060
a UFO program so it took all those

1281
00:48:37,550 --> 00:48:35,339
thousands and thousands of cases and

1282
00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:37,560
additional information and analyzed it

1283
00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:39,300
and tried to make sense of it it was the

1284
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,720
taking it was the proper implication

1285
00:48:46,370 --> 00:48:44,160
implementation of all the stuff that had

1286
00:48:48,050 --> 00:48:46,380
been gathered during that study and the

1287
00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:48,060
analysis was really interesting it was

1288
00:48:52,130 --> 00:48:49,800
clear from the document that I brought

1289
00:48:54,170 --> 00:48:52,140
back that they um they paid a lot of

1290
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:54,180
attention to American ufology what

1291
00:48:59,809 --> 00:48:57,359
appeared in American UFO reports uh in

1292
00:49:02,089 --> 00:48:59,819
UFO magazines in popular press in

1293
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,099
regular newspapers they Incorporated all

1294
00:49:06,530 --> 00:49:04,800
of that into uh their own reports and

1295
00:49:09,410 --> 00:49:06,540
then they analyzed this stuff and they

1296
00:49:11,329 --> 00:49:09,420
it was some pretty amazing conclusions I

1297
00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:11,339
I took that stuff and shared it with a

1298
00:49:16,069 --> 00:49:13,380
couple of people when I got back because

1299
00:49:17,990 --> 00:49:16,079
I was worried what happens to the if

1300
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:18,000
somebody comes in and steals it or

1301
00:49:20,990 --> 00:49:19,500
there's a fire or something like that so

1302
00:49:22,790 --> 00:49:21,000
I shared some with Jacques because you

1303
00:49:24,950 --> 00:49:22,800
have all these classified Russian

1304
00:49:27,530 --> 00:49:24,960
documents at home in paper original

1305
00:49:28,910 --> 00:49:27,540
copies what if they get lost or stolen

1306
00:49:31,190 --> 00:49:28,920
right so you're thinking and they had to

1307
00:49:33,710 --> 00:49:31,200
be translated yes had to be translated

1308
00:49:35,390 --> 00:49:33,720
we hired some Russians through Nikolai

1309
00:49:37,490 --> 00:49:35,400
to do a lot of the translations which

1310
00:49:39,050 --> 00:49:37,500
were very fairly crude looking back on

1311
00:49:41,030 --> 00:49:39,060
them and then I shared some of the

1312
00:49:43,490 --> 00:49:41,040
information with dick D'Amato I sent

1313
00:49:46,550 --> 00:49:43,500
some files to Jacques valet there was

1314
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,560
another a journalist named Antonio's and

1315
00:49:51,109 --> 00:49:48,720
then there's a Dr Richard Haynes they

1316
00:49:53,809 --> 00:49:51,119
all got pieces of it but I had the the

1317
00:49:55,849 --> 00:49:53,819
big pile and um you know it was kind of

1318
00:49:57,349 --> 00:49:55,859
tricky deciding how to get it out of

1319
00:49:59,750 --> 00:49:57,359
Russia

1320
00:50:02,510 --> 00:49:59,760
um because I noticed something odd about

1321
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,520
the we're there ten days we were stopped

1322
00:50:08,750 --> 00:50:05,280
by cops or agents seven times in ten

1323
00:50:10,550 --> 00:50:08,760
days and I I had figured that somebody

1324
00:50:11,930 --> 00:50:10,560
was coming into my room on the days when

1325
00:50:14,870 --> 00:50:11,940
we were out shooting interviews and

1326
00:50:16,970 --> 00:50:14,880
stuff so I did a little uh setup where I

1327
00:50:18,290 --> 00:50:16,980
put like a hair on my suitcase to see if

1328
00:50:19,490 --> 00:50:18,300
somebody's coming in then and sure

1329
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:19,500
enough somebody's coming in there and

1330
00:50:22,730 --> 00:50:21,300
going through my stuff yeah why wouldn't

1331
00:50:24,170 --> 00:50:22,740
they journalists that come with a bunch

1332
00:50:25,730 --> 00:50:24,180
of cameras to Russia at this time

1333
00:50:27,050 --> 00:50:25,740
Americans come on of course they're

1334
00:50:29,150 --> 00:50:27,060
gonna so we

1335
00:50:30,589 --> 00:50:29,160
um you know had to figure out what I'm

1336
00:50:32,089 --> 00:50:30,599
going to do with this stuff to get it

1337
00:50:33,710 --> 00:50:32,099
back because I was kind of nervous

1338
00:50:34,670 --> 00:50:33,720
because it was all marked classified

1339
00:50:38,030 --> 00:50:34,680
yeah

1340
00:50:40,130 --> 00:50:38,040
going to jail well it was interesting

1341
00:50:43,190 --> 00:50:40,140
that their their system at that time

1342
00:50:44,870 --> 00:50:43,200
they only stamped classified on the top

1343
00:50:47,710 --> 00:50:44,880
page of the documents

1344
00:50:50,990 --> 00:50:47,720
the other Pages didn't say anything

1345
00:50:53,569 --> 00:50:51,000
so I uh I separated the top pages from

1346
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:53,579
the from the classified stuff and I I

1347
00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:55,380
figured out a way to come carry it out

1348
00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:58,680
were you nervous oh yeah

1349
00:51:02,630 --> 00:51:00,960
oh yeah very much so yeah because I mean

1350
00:51:04,490 --> 00:51:02,640
if you've ever been to moscow's airport

1351
00:51:06,290 --> 00:51:04,500
you've got to go through a bunch of

1352
00:51:08,210 --> 00:51:06,300
checkpoints it's not just one TSA

1353
00:51:09,890 --> 00:51:08,220
checkpoint kind of a thing you got to go

1354
00:51:13,069 --> 00:51:09,900
through six or seven of them to get out

1355
00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:13,079
and this is a real risk was the United

1356
00:51:16,609 --> 00:51:14,760
States happy when you got back that you

1357
00:51:18,349 --> 00:51:16,619
got all this stuff well yeah I mean it

1358
00:51:20,089 --> 00:51:18,359
wasn't widely distributed but the people

1359
00:51:22,430 --> 00:51:20,099
who got to see it were still were happy

1360
00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:22,440
and there are people still who more

1361
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:24,359
recently seen this stuff who've been

1362
00:51:30,950 --> 00:51:27,420
happy and then this is three and three

1363
00:51:33,950 --> 00:51:30,960
thread three was the program that came

1364
00:51:36,049 --> 00:51:33,960
after the 10-year long study so uh

1365
00:51:37,490 --> 00:51:36,059
Colonel sokolov headed a 10-year study

1366
00:51:39,950 --> 00:51:37,500
maybe the biggest study in the history

1367
00:51:42,170 --> 00:51:39,960
of of the world in terms of UFOs and

1368
00:51:44,089 --> 00:51:42,180
then thread three is a much smaller

1369
00:51:46,849 --> 00:51:44,099
program that came afterwards that

1370
00:51:50,210 --> 00:51:46,859
analyzed the results trying to figure

1371
00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:50,220
out what they had and some of those

1372
00:51:55,730 --> 00:51:52,740
interpretations are are also pretty

1373
00:51:57,710 --> 00:51:55,740
spectacular and kind of scary

1374
00:52:00,290 --> 00:51:57,720
these are some of the documents that we

1375
00:52:02,030 --> 00:52:00,300
translated

1376
00:52:05,390 --> 00:52:02,040
people are going to pause this video and

1377
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:07,069
that's so cool man

1378
00:52:11,870 --> 00:52:10,559
so I came back and there's a lot more to

1379
00:52:13,549 --> 00:52:11,880
the story so these are the military

1380
00:52:15,349 --> 00:52:13,559
people that we saw

1381
00:52:17,510 --> 00:52:15,359
there's a whole other group of people

1382
00:52:19,790 --> 00:52:17,520
that I haven't talked about really uh in

1383
00:52:21,470 --> 00:52:19,800
public the scientists who had put their

1384
00:52:24,530 --> 00:52:21,480
lives on the line during the darkest

1385
00:52:26,390 --> 00:52:24,540
days of the Cold War who studied UFOs

1386
00:52:27,890 --> 00:52:26,400
some of them did it with permission of

1387
00:52:29,390 --> 00:52:27,900
the Russian government you know

1388
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:29,400
officially the Russian government said

1389
00:52:33,230 --> 00:52:31,440
it's all a bunch of baloney the uh the

1390
00:52:35,510 --> 00:52:33,240
American capitalists and imperialists

1391
00:52:36,950 --> 00:52:35,520
have made this up nothing is true but

1392
00:52:38,750 --> 00:52:36,960
behind the scenes they were very

1393
00:52:41,270 --> 00:52:38,760
interested in it as as our government

1394
00:52:43,430 --> 00:52:41,280
was and they would authorize these

1395
00:52:45,950 --> 00:52:43,440
scientists to study and the other

1396
00:52:48,290 --> 00:52:45,960
scientists had to study it uh on the on

1397
00:52:50,210 --> 00:52:48,300
the down low their interest was kept

1398
00:52:52,549 --> 00:52:50,220
very quiet and they would communicate to

1399
00:52:55,309 --> 00:52:52,559
a small group of people of like-minded

1400
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,319
folks and and share their research that

1401
00:53:00,829 --> 00:52:58,079
changed during those three years three

1402
00:53:03,230 --> 00:53:00,839
four years of glasnos uh when we were

1403
00:53:06,950 --> 00:53:03,240
there they were more able to talk about

1404
00:53:08,990 --> 00:53:06,960
it openly and um and I think they hope

1405
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:09,000
that it going forward in the future that

1406
00:53:12,770 --> 00:53:10,319
they'd still be able to talk about it

1407
00:53:13,970 --> 00:53:12,780
and of course all that changed all of it

1408
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,980
has changed that we can talk about it

1409
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:15,839
some other time so I get the stuff back

1410
00:53:19,370 --> 00:53:18,240
I get it translated I share it with a

1411
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,380
couple of people to get their

1412
00:53:23,990 --> 00:53:21,359
Impressions is this real do you think

1413
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:24,000
it's legit and the answer is yes they

1414
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:25,920
thought it was legit that this really

1415
00:53:30,170 --> 00:53:28,260
was classified information everybody who

1416
00:53:32,809 --> 00:53:30,180
looked at it there were some scientific

1417
00:53:34,730 --> 00:53:32,819
papers that I had spread out to other

1418
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:34,740
scientists here to take a look at and

1419
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:37,260
get their Impressions but generally we

1420
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:38,880
came back with the Treasure Trove and in

1421
00:53:42,650 --> 00:53:40,800
fact we did learn more from the Russian

1422
00:53:45,589 --> 00:53:42,660
government about what the U.S government

1423
00:53:48,410 --> 00:53:45,599
knows on UFOs than we have learned from

1424
00:53:50,630 --> 00:53:48,420
our government ourselves that's the

1425
00:53:52,190 --> 00:53:50,640
Russian White House it's the head of

1426
00:53:54,290 --> 00:53:52,200
their legislature it's the equivalent of

1427
00:53:55,790 --> 00:53:54,300
their Congress Brian and I are standing

1428
00:53:58,190 --> 00:53:55,800
out in front of it

1429
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,200
that's their Ministry of Defense pretty

1430
00:54:02,390 --> 00:54:00,480
impressive building

1431
00:54:03,950 --> 00:54:02,400
Bryant and I standing in front I think I

1432
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:03,960
did a stand-up out there but that's

1433
00:54:09,049 --> 00:54:06,359
where sokolov worked when he was headed

1434
00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:09,059
up this UFO study that lasted for 10

1435
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:10,260
years

1436
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:13,500
again back into Red Square the

1437
00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:16,200
architecture is unmistakable as Bryant

1438
00:54:20,390 --> 00:54:18,420
and I we got a kick out of talking to

1439
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:20,400
regular Russians the ones who could

1440
00:54:25,609 --> 00:54:22,319
speak English were so friendly and

1441
00:54:28,970 --> 00:54:25,619
welcoming and curious about Americans

1442
00:54:31,250 --> 00:54:28,980
that's Dr Valeri budikov

1443
00:54:34,309 --> 00:54:31,260
who's the scientist who worked with

1444
00:54:37,430 --> 00:54:34,319
coraloff who his mentor his friend and

1445
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,440
mentor of 40 years corloff was the

1446
00:54:42,470 --> 00:54:39,839
father of the Russian rocket program the

1447
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:42,480
Space Program who had spoken to Stalin

1448
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:44,160
about the Roswell incident that's our

1449
00:54:47,530 --> 00:54:45,780
interpreter in the middle let's meet

1450
00:54:50,450 --> 00:54:47,540
with dark here

1451
00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:50,460
again that's Nikolai capranov the

1452
00:54:54,890 --> 00:54:52,920
Russian physicist Dr capranov Who had

1453
00:54:58,970 --> 00:54:54,900
really was instrumental in setting all

1454
00:55:02,049 --> 00:54:58,980
this stuff up Dr budikov interpreter

1455
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:02,059
young George this is from

1456
00:55:08,270 --> 00:55:05,520
the ministry of Defense reports a lot of

1457
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:08,280
of the accounts from the witnesses

1458
00:55:12,170 --> 00:55:10,559
had drawings attached of the kinds of

1459
00:55:15,049 --> 00:55:12,180
things that they saw that is obviously

1460
00:55:17,150 --> 00:55:15,059
not like any craft that we know of

1461
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:17,160
oh this is kind of interesting in that

1462
00:55:24,230 --> 00:55:21,119
same issue there's a 1998 UFO magazine

1463
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:24,240
they have an article about a Russian UFO

1464
00:55:29,870 --> 00:55:26,700
incident what does that look like for

1465
00:55:32,569 --> 00:55:29,880
you yeah rings of Eldon yeah these

1466
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:32,579
sphere are these um cylinders man it's

1467
00:55:36,589 --> 00:55:34,680
like the Tic Tac it looks like a Tic Tac

1468
00:55:38,270 --> 00:55:36,599
so so what are the big like after all

1469
00:55:40,130 --> 00:55:38,280
this time so you've had you had multiple

1470
00:55:42,170 --> 00:55:40,140
trips out there on one trip you meet

1471
00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:42,180
with all these military individuals on

1472
00:55:44,990 --> 00:55:43,500
another trip and let's talk about that

1473
00:55:47,150 --> 00:55:45,000
later but you meet with a whole bunch of

1474
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:47,160
scientific people but what was in this

1475
00:55:51,049 --> 00:55:49,500
first trip what were the big bullet

1476
00:55:53,450 --> 00:55:51,059
points what did you take away from it

1477
00:55:55,790 --> 00:55:53,460
that you didn't know before that their

1478
00:55:57,770 --> 00:55:55,800
government like our government says one

1479
00:56:00,170 --> 00:55:57,780
thing to the public and think something

1480
00:56:02,329 --> 00:56:00,180
else in in private that they have

1481
00:56:04,549 --> 00:56:02,339
studied this for decades that they take

1482
00:56:06,349 --> 00:56:04,559
it very seriously that they're convinced

1483
00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:06,359
this is an intelligence from somewhere

1484
00:56:11,210 --> 00:56:09,000
else that this technology is beyond what

1485
00:56:13,849 --> 00:56:11,220
the Russians or the Americans had that

1486
00:56:16,190 --> 00:56:13,859
it's Way Beyond and and if either of us

1487
00:56:18,890 --> 00:56:16,200
could could figure out how to duplicate

1488
00:56:20,510 --> 00:56:18,900
the technology we'd win you know the

1489
00:56:22,069 --> 00:56:20,520
same thing that's going on now and so

1490
00:56:23,930 --> 00:56:22,079
from what I understand from what you

1491
00:56:26,870 --> 00:56:23,940
said earlier is that there was a order

1492
00:56:29,809 --> 00:56:26,880
to shoot down UFOs by Russian Jets and

1493
00:56:33,049 --> 00:56:29,819
you said 30 was it 30 40 planes Chase

1494
00:56:35,390 --> 00:56:33,059
UFOs three planes went down two of the

1495
00:56:37,730 --> 00:56:35,400
pilots died and and was this said to you

1496
00:56:40,490 --> 00:56:37,740
uh convey to you just verbally or do you

1497
00:56:43,750 --> 00:56:40,500
have photos you said I have photos and I

1498
00:56:46,609 --> 00:56:43,760
have reports and it was set on camera

1499
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,619
General Igor moltsev for seven years

1500
00:56:51,109 --> 00:56:48,480
commander of the entire Soviet air

1501
00:56:54,170 --> 00:56:51,119
defense system recalls a UFO flap over

1502
00:56:56,710 --> 00:56:54,180
Moscow in 1990 hundreds of visual and

1503
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:56,720
radar observations by military personnel

1504
00:57:02,569 --> 00:56:59,520
moldsef confirms his standing order was

1505
00:57:05,089 --> 00:57:02,579
don't fire on the UFOs but he declines

1506
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,099
to say much else his boss the former

1507
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,200
deputy defense minister declined to

1508
00:57:12,230 --> 00:57:09,599
speak altogether under orders so

1509
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:12,240
basically at one time they're like [\h__\h]

1510
00:57:16,790 --> 00:57:13,920
this we're not going to shoot down

1511
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,800
anymore there is now a new order to not

1512
00:57:20,569 --> 00:57:18,240
shoot them down and basically hightail

1513
00:57:23,089 --> 00:57:20,579
it out yeah they said it because the

1514
00:57:25,130 --> 00:57:23,099
UFOs have incredible capacities for

1515
00:57:27,470 --> 00:57:25,140
retaliation that was their words wow

1516
00:57:29,270 --> 00:57:27,480
General malts have now he's the guy I

1517
00:57:31,609 --> 00:57:29,280
interviewed one of back three years

1518
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:31,619
later and by then everything had changed

1519
00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:33,660
that window of opportunity had closed

1520
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:36,059
the the hardliners were back in charge

1521
00:57:40,790 --> 00:57:39,359
Yeltsin had been moved out and um and it

1522
00:57:44,750 --> 00:57:40,800
was a whole different atmosphere there

1523
00:57:47,089 --> 00:57:44,760
the the hope uh the Embrace of democracy

1524
00:57:50,089 --> 00:57:47,099
and capitalism had sort of died down

1525
00:57:52,069 --> 00:57:50,099
Russian Thugs and organized crime had

1526
00:57:54,230 --> 00:57:52,079
been on the rise it was a totally

1527
00:57:55,609 --> 00:57:54,240
different environment all those people

1528
00:57:58,430 --> 00:57:55,619
that we had interviewed on that first

1529
00:58:00,349 --> 00:57:58,440
trip in 93 had changed there are some

1530
00:58:02,450 --> 00:58:00,359
funny things that happened I mean we uh

1531
00:58:04,609 --> 00:58:02,460
we had an interpreter and a driver who

1532
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,619
took us around willing to go to the KGB

1533
00:58:09,170 --> 00:58:06,720
wanted to go to the KGB headquarters

1534
00:58:10,910 --> 00:58:09,180
it's a pretty famous building and it's

1535
00:58:14,049 --> 00:58:10,920
uh and the three of us get out I'm gonna

1536
00:58:16,370 --> 00:58:14,059
do a stand-up up there

1537
00:58:19,150 --> 00:58:16,380
and then I said hey let's take a photo

1538
00:58:22,790 --> 00:58:19,160
look we're nap gresh and Blackburn

1539
00:58:24,290 --> 00:58:22,800
photographer Brian grash and me KGB nap

1540
00:58:26,630 --> 00:58:24,300
Crush Blackboard isn't that funny let's

1541
00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:26,640
take a photo and we're and our Russians

1542
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:28,200
who are with us they're huddled in the

1543
00:58:31,069 --> 00:58:29,520
car they don't want to get out of the

1544
00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:31,079
car we're standing in front of KGB

1545
00:58:34,490 --> 00:58:32,700
headquarters and when I go back to the

1546
00:58:37,010 --> 00:58:34,500
car I said hey this is very funny KGB

1547
00:58:39,490 --> 00:58:37,020
hahaha we got a shot of KGB and they go

1548
00:58:41,930 --> 00:58:39,500
yes and KGB got shots of you

1549
00:58:44,750 --> 00:58:41,940
that sounds not right that sounds

1550
00:58:46,730 --> 00:58:44,760
dangerous but wow man and so so

1551
00:58:48,770 --> 00:58:46,740
basically you you kept all this context

1552
00:58:50,930 --> 00:58:48,780
but the country changed after that yeah

1553
00:58:52,970 --> 00:58:50,940
so the next time I went back I did meet

1554
00:58:55,069 --> 00:58:52,980
with some interesting people we could

1555
00:58:56,809 --> 00:58:55,079
talk about that another episode but uh

1556
00:58:58,849 --> 00:58:56,819
the the three years later there was a

1557
00:59:01,190 --> 00:58:58,859
crew from the BBC they wanted to

1558
00:59:03,890 --> 00:59:01,200
reproduce those steps they were not the

1559
00:59:05,990 --> 00:59:03,900
first to ask this by the way when I came

1560
00:59:07,490 --> 00:59:06,000
back Brian and I had written a couple of

1561
00:59:09,770 --> 00:59:07,500
articles I made some public

1562
00:59:13,250 --> 00:59:09,780
presentations and made a little bit of a

1563
00:59:14,750 --> 00:59:13,260
UFO Splash in UFO world for while but

1564
00:59:16,250 --> 00:59:14,760
then it went away as you know something

1565
00:59:19,730 --> 00:59:16,260
else comes along

1566
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:19,740
um but uh you know our government had

1567
00:59:23,390 --> 00:59:21,599
been interested uh some of that

1568
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:23,400
information I shared with Bigelow with

1569
00:59:29,630 --> 00:59:26,240
nids that information eventually went to

1570
00:59:31,849 --> 00:59:29,640
OSAP the OSAP and bass program they

1571
00:59:33,829 --> 00:59:31,859
hired a bunch of translators to

1572
00:59:37,190 --> 00:59:33,839
re-translate the documents that I'd had

1573
00:59:39,410 --> 00:59:37,200
done to analyze it and they this has not

1574
00:59:40,789 --> 00:59:39,420
been made public the document has not

1575
00:59:42,950 --> 00:59:40,799
been made public but it's an amazing

1576
00:59:44,510 --> 00:59:42,960
report they've been able to figure out

1577
00:59:46,430 --> 00:59:44,520
and correlate a bunch of information

1578
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:46,440
that they obtained on their own about

1579
00:59:51,349 --> 00:59:48,720
the structure of that UFO program and it

1580
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:51,359
was big it was a big program a huge

1581
00:59:55,370 --> 00:59:53,520
investigation and then thread three and

1582
00:59:57,470 --> 00:59:55,380
there's another name for the group that

1583
01:00:00,349 --> 00:59:57,480
analyzed this UFO material and it went

1584
01:00:03,289 --> 01:00:00,359
on for a long time and that OSAP report

1585
01:00:05,329 --> 01:00:03,299
I hope will one day be made public right

1586
01:00:08,030 --> 01:00:05,339
now it's in the DIA files and and we're

1587
01:00:10,250 --> 01:00:08,040
not able to release it there was some

1588
01:00:12,349 --> 01:00:10,260
media interest for a while so I first

1589
01:00:15,049 --> 01:00:12,359
call I got was from CBS I think it was

1590
01:00:17,210 --> 01:00:15,059
48 hours they said hey we read this

1591
01:00:20,089 --> 01:00:17,220
article about your trip to Russia can we

1592
01:00:22,250 --> 01:00:20,099
duplicate that can we go I said look

1593
01:00:24,890 --> 01:00:22,260
I'll help you I'm working for a CBS

1594
01:00:26,750 --> 01:00:24,900
affiliate in Las Vegas that'd be awesome

1595
01:00:28,730 --> 01:00:26,760
um because by the time that time I was

1596
01:00:31,190 --> 01:00:28,740
back working for kls

1597
01:00:32,390 --> 01:00:31,200
and so I gave them some additional

1598
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,400
information

1599
01:00:37,250 --> 01:00:34,400
they go to the ministry of Defense

1600
01:00:38,630 --> 01:00:37,260
Ministry of Defense told them uh we

1601
01:00:42,650 --> 01:00:38,640
didn't have any such study it didn't

1602
01:00:44,930 --> 01:00:42,660
exist and they went to usovo in the

1603
01:00:46,910 --> 01:00:44,940
Ukraine and they said there's no ICBM

1604
01:00:49,309 --> 01:00:46,920
base there well they were wrong on both

1605
01:00:51,470 --> 01:00:49,319
of them and they gave up then the next

1606
01:00:53,630 --> 01:00:51,480
call comes from ABC news they said oh

1607
01:00:55,910 --> 01:00:53,640
gosh this looks great we want to take

1608
01:00:57,770 --> 01:00:55,920
you back to Russia and retrace your

1609
01:01:00,289 --> 01:00:57,780
steps and do this whole thing over can

1610
01:01:02,750 --> 01:01:00,299
you give us some contact info all right

1611
01:01:04,010 --> 01:01:02,760
yeah that'd be cool it's it's ABC prime

1612
01:01:06,650 --> 01:01:04,020
time

1613
01:01:10,069 --> 01:01:06,660
I gave him some contact info

1614
01:01:12,230 --> 01:01:10,079
um Colonel sokolov Nikolai

1615
01:01:14,210 --> 01:01:12,240
they send the producers over there to

1616
01:01:16,490 --> 01:01:14,220
try to retrace these steps and

1617
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:16,500
completely cut me out and did this big

1618
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:19,200
expose ABC News has learned blah blah

1619
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:21,180
blah blah they went to the missile base

1620
01:01:24,650 --> 01:01:22,799
found the found the base where it

1621
01:01:26,750 --> 01:01:24,660
happened we're blowing this open we've

1622
01:01:28,549 --> 01:01:26,760
got this exclusive story wasn't their

1623
01:01:30,530 --> 01:01:28,559
exclusive story it was my exclusive

1624
01:01:32,390 --> 01:01:30,540
story and they pretended like I didn't

1625
01:01:35,089 --> 01:01:32,400
exist and I wanted to take my phone call

1626
01:01:36,950 --> 01:01:35,099
so you know I was a little wary of other

1627
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:36,960
media and how they might handle this

1628
01:01:41,690 --> 01:01:38,880
stuff and um and that's still the case

1629
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:41,700
wow that's amazing man so I mean just

1630
01:01:45,470 --> 01:01:44,040
just the guts to to go to Russia just on

1631
01:01:47,809 --> 01:01:45,480
this hunch you know that you might be

1632
01:01:49,130 --> 01:01:47,819
able to extract some UFO information and

1633
01:01:51,230 --> 01:01:49,140
then come back with those classified

1634
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,240
documents so you've learned a lot about

1635
01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:53,520
what Russia knew about UFOs then do you

1636
01:01:57,109 --> 01:01:55,140
think that they have you know current

1637
01:01:58,730 --> 01:01:57,119
programs right now oh sure they do of

1638
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:58,740
course they do of course they do you

1639
01:02:02,210 --> 01:02:00,480
know I've heard some pretty dramatic

1640
01:02:04,609 --> 01:02:02,220
things from people that we both know

1641
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:04,619
yeah you know you've seen some dramatic

1642
01:02:08,390 --> 01:02:06,720
incursions by Russians where they just

1643
01:02:10,430 --> 01:02:08,400
dare us to go ahead and shoot them down

1644
01:02:13,549 --> 01:02:10,440
where their planes fly really really

1645
01:02:17,030 --> 01:02:13,559
close to our warships where their planes

1646
01:02:18,170 --> 01:02:17,040
Dallas our drones in in jet fuel and or

1647
01:02:19,250 --> 01:02:18,180
they're just trying to provoke a

1648
01:02:21,109 --> 01:02:19,260
response

1649
01:02:22,609 --> 01:02:21,119
I think part of the reason might be that

1650
01:02:25,150 --> 01:02:22,619
they have developed something they've

1651
01:02:29,089 --> 01:02:25,160
had their own crashes we were promised

1652
01:02:31,309 --> 01:02:29,099
access to crash material and institutes

1653
01:02:33,289 --> 01:02:31,319
that had studied crash material and the

1654
01:02:35,510 --> 01:02:33,299
equivalent of the Russian Area 51

1655
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:35,520
promised that multiple times both

1656
01:02:38,690 --> 01:02:36,960
leading up to in the eight months

1657
01:02:40,549 --> 01:02:38,700
leading up to the trip and in the months

1658
01:02:42,710 --> 01:02:40,559
that followed after we were there it

1659
01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:42,720
never happened I did go to a crash site

1660
01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:45,780
that was in the trip in 1996 this is the

1661
01:02:50,390 --> 01:02:47,940
third media organization that called to

1662
01:02:53,329 --> 01:02:50,400
me was the BBC they were working on

1663
01:02:55,549 --> 01:02:53,339
Discovery for BBC this is a very a

1664
01:02:57,530 --> 01:02:55,559
really great producer Who convinced me

1665
01:02:59,930 --> 01:02:57,540
they're on the up and up they wanted to

1666
01:03:02,390 --> 01:02:59,940
actually bring me back retrace the steps

1667
01:03:03,950 --> 01:03:02,400
talk to other people and so I went back

1668
01:03:06,589 --> 01:03:03,960
with them and spent another 10 days

1669
01:03:09,289 --> 01:03:06,599
there and uh most of the people that we

1670
01:03:10,670 --> 01:03:09,299
had interviewed before including Nikolai

1671
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:10,680
who was a good friend of mine by that

1672
01:03:15,950 --> 01:03:13,680
point and Colonel sokolov would not talk

1673
01:03:17,510 --> 01:03:15,960
to us budakov would not talk to us

1674
01:03:19,549 --> 01:03:17,520
anymore they wanted nothing to do with

1675
01:03:21,230 --> 01:03:19,559
it because the political climate that

1676
01:03:23,630 --> 01:03:21,240
country had changed the window had

1677
01:03:26,630 --> 01:03:23,640
closed I did find other people to talk

1678
01:03:29,150 --> 01:03:26,640
to and we took one trip from Moscow to

1679
01:03:31,370 --> 01:03:29,160
Vlada Bostock and a little garden spot

1680
01:03:34,670 --> 01:03:31,380
called dalnagors which is on the Far

1681
01:03:36,650 --> 01:03:34,680
Eastern Frontier of Russia it's like a

1682
01:03:39,589 --> 01:03:36,660
12-hour flight from Moscow we threw

1683
01:03:41,690 --> 01:03:39,599
through this brutal storm

1684
01:03:43,309 --> 01:03:41,700
um and then jumped on this helicopter to

1685
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:43,319
go to down the course where there'd been

1686
01:03:47,329 --> 01:03:45,540
an incident some called the Russian

1687
01:03:49,730 --> 01:03:47,339
Roswell there would have been a an

1688
01:03:52,490 --> 01:03:49,740
object that was seen over this

1689
01:03:55,190 --> 01:03:52,500
deldegorus in the middle of nowhere uh

1690
01:03:57,829 --> 01:03:55,200
near the near Red China and North Korea

1691
01:04:01,549 --> 01:03:57,839
and uh and it crashed in a place called

1692
01:04:03,589 --> 01:04:01,559
height 611 means Hill 611 and the

1693
01:04:06,829 --> 01:04:03,599
scientists who got up the hill to

1694
01:04:11,150 --> 01:04:06,839
collect materials uh of the crash site

1695
01:04:12,170 --> 01:04:11,160
Dr de jildi Vladimir digione I think it

1696
01:04:16,010 --> 01:04:12,180
is

1697
01:04:19,130 --> 01:04:16,020
interesting material strange qualities

1698
01:04:20,809 --> 01:04:19,140
crash material uh had sent it to a

1699
01:04:23,690 --> 01:04:20,819
variety of different Russian institutes

1700
01:04:25,789 --> 01:04:23,700
for analysis and never got it back

1701
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,799
um that's a story for another time okay

1702
01:04:29,150 --> 01:04:27,359
okay we'll do that so I brought some of

1703
01:04:30,470 --> 01:04:29,160
that stuff back I know that's okay well

1704
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:30,480
you know there's going to be a part two

1705
01:04:33,289 --> 01:04:32,160
to this and when you talk with all the

1706
01:04:35,569 --> 01:04:33,299
scientists and everything we'll talk

1707
01:04:37,430 --> 01:04:35,579
about that have you seen that show on

1708
01:04:39,650 --> 01:04:37,440
Apple TV Tetris have you seen that new

1709
01:04:41,450 --> 01:04:39,660
show oh my gosh it's about a guy that

1710
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,460
goes to Russia and gets the rights for

1711
01:04:45,410 --> 01:04:43,440
Tetris and what he had to do to go

1712
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:45,420
through all of those negotiations right

1713
01:04:49,490 --> 01:04:47,760
when everything was was changing so it's

1714
01:04:50,990 --> 01:04:49,500
it's really funny to to hear this story

1715
01:04:53,210 --> 01:04:51,000
from you because it's just like a movie

1716
01:04:55,069 --> 01:04:53,220
that's out right now I love Russia I

1717
01:04:57,530 --> 01:04:55,079
love being there I love seeing them I

1718
01:04:59,870 --> 01:04:57,540
love the Russians they were so warm and

1719
01:05:01,789 --> 01:04:59,880
welcoming they were cautious yeah once

1720
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,799
you get past a certain barrier you know

1721
01:05:05,510 --> 01:05:03,599
they were they wanted to know so much

1722
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:05,520
about America they're so much like us

1723
01:05:10,730 --> 01:05:09,240
and it it pains me to think of what

1724
01:05:13,130 --> 01:05:10,740
their lives are like now that that

1725
01:05:16,190 --> 01:05:13,140
window has closed and you know they live

1726
01:05:18,170 --> 01:05:16,200
under a threat of who knows what yeah uh

1727
01:05:20,809 --> 01:05:18,180
it's a it's an incredible thing that the

1728
01:05:22,309 --> 01:05:20,819
UFO topic that it's so this is something

1729
01:05:23,630 --> 01:05:22,319
that Bob Lazar has always said it's a

1730
01:05:26,210 --> 01:05:23,640
crime against the scientific Community

1731
01:05:29,210 --> 01:05:26,220
when you can't share this stuff the

1732
01:05:30,770 --> 01:05:29,220
reverse engineering uh programs it's not

1733
01:05:32,990 --> 01:05:30,780
part of the scientific process to keep

1734
01:05:34,130 --> 01:05:33,000
everything so compartmentalized I you

1735
01:05:35,809 --> 01:05:34,140
know we're not going to name them but

1736
01:05:37,730 --> 01:05:35,819
you and I both know a scientist who's

1737
01:05:40,190 --> 01:05:37,740
been involved in a reverse engineering

1738
01:05:42,710 --> 01:05:40,200
uh program that was from a Russian class

1739
01:05:44,270 --> 01:05:42,720
that has to do with with lasers and I

1740
01:05:46,069 --> 01:05:44,280
think that's okay to say but you're

1741
01:05:48,549 --> 01:05:46,079
aware of what I'm saying I am and that's

1742
01:05:51,230 --> 01:05:48,559
what was started to say is the Russian

1743
01:05:53,569 --> 01:05:51,240
provocations where their war planes fly

1744
01:05:55,250 --> 01:05:53,579
very close to us I think it's related to

1745
01:05:57,530 --> 01:05:55,260
something that they have developed from

1746
01:06:00,289 --> 01:05:57,540
crashes that is what I've been told is

1747
01:06:02,270 --> 01:06:00,299
that they've developed a weapon system

1748
01:06:04,370 --> 01:06:02,280
that they can't wait to use against us

1749
01:06:06,289 --> 01:06:04,380
and that they came from somewhere else

1750
01:06:09,049 --> 01:06:06,299
wow that's crazy man well I guess that

1751
01:06:12,289 --> 01:06:09,059
is the the whole you know point of the

1752
01:06:15,049 --> 01:06:12,299
secrecy if the UFO reality is is what it

1753
01:06:17,809 --> 01:06:15,059
appears to be and if our governments are

1754
01:06:20,030 --> 01:06:17,819
trying to study the UFO technology and

1755
01:06:21,289 --> 01:06:20,040
if they are keeping it hidden from the

1756
01:06:24,770 --> 01:06:21,299
American and kind of global public

1757
01:06:27,289 --> 01:06:24,780
because of the reason that they want to

1758
01:06:28,849 --> 01:06:27,299
get a technological advantage it really

1759
01:06:30,770 --> 01:06:28,859
makes sense to me and this is what we're

1760
01:06:34,069 --> 01:06:30,780
both told over all this time of looking

1761
01:06:35,690 --> 01:06:34,079
at this that we are all in a race that

1762
01:06:38,210 --> 01:06:35,700
people don't know about but it's a

1763
01:06:40,309 --> 01:06:38,220
technological race because anybody that

1764
01:06:42,829 --> 01:06:40,319
develops this weaponization Technology

1765
01:06:45,230 --> 01:06:42,839
based on the material science of the

1766
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:45,240
reverse engineering of these UFOs they

1767
01:06:48,529 --> 01:06:47,280
win hands down they win we can create a

1768
01:06:51,049 --> 01:06:48,539
laser beam or something like that but

1769
01:06:52,789 --> 01:06:51,059
these weapons of mass destruction that

1770
01:06:55,609 --> 01:06:52,799
can be created by reverse engineering

1771
01:06:57,589 --> 01:06:55,619
the technology if all of that is true I

1772
01:06:59,089 --> 01:06:57,599
get why some of the secrecy is there you

1773
01:07:00,770 --> 01:06:59,099
don't want this to get out you have to

1774
01:07:02,930 --> 01:07:00,780
hide it well you know it's not just

1775
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:02,940
speculation we can guess about it right

1776
01:07:06,589 --> 01:07:04,559
now what our government is trying to do

1777
01:07:08,569 --> 01:07:06,599
in reverse engineering the Russians that

1778
01:07:10,130 --> 01:07:08,579
we we talked to back then were very

1779
01:07:12,170 --> 01:07:10,140
clear about it they were trying to

1780
01:07:14,510 --> 01:07:12,180
reverse engineer that technology from

1781
01:07:16,089 --> 01:07:14,520
UFOs that was their goal that was the

1782
01:07:19,250 --> 01:07:16,099
goal of a nationwide

1783
01:07:21,589 --> 01:07:19,260
massively intensive UFO investigation

1784
01:07:23,390 --> 01:07:21,599
for a decade and programs that followed

1785
01:07:25,069 --> 01:07:23,400
and I'll bet it's still going on people

1786
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:25,079
talk about disclosure all the time

1787
01:07:28,309 --> 01:07:26,400
whatever that means like you know the

1788
01:07:29,750 --> 01:07:28,319
public is told by UFOs if anything

1789
01:07:31,609 --> 01:07:29,760
brought us close to that would you say

1790
01:07:33,230 --> 01:07:31,619
this Russia experience of you coming

1791
01:07:35,870 --> 01:07:33,240
back getting all this information for

1792
01:07:39,049 --> 01:07:35,880
you was that a personal version of holy

1793
01:07:41,270 --> 01:07:39,059
[\h__\h] this is true absolutely yeah I I do

1794
01:07:43,010 --> 01:07:41,280
I think that you know I've I've said

1795
01:07:45,170 --> 01:07:43,020
this I've talked about it in public

1796
01:07:47,150 --> 01:07:45,180
before and we put out little bits and

1797
01:07:49,370 --> 01:07:47,160
pieces from the videos that we shot from

1798
01:07:52,430 --> 01:07:49,380
both of those trips the second trip I

1799
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:52,440
went um with that crew I met them on my

1800
01:07:56,930 --> 01:07:54,480
own and took my own camera shot my own

1801
01:08:00,230 --> 01:07:56,940
stand-ups and tried to be Mr newsman in

1802
01:08:02,569 --> 01:08:00,240
Russia uh it's very amateurish in its in

1803
01:08:04,190 --> 01:08:02,579
the video quality of everything but

1804
01:08:05,870 --> 01:08:04,200
eventually I want to put that all

1805
01:08:07,430 --> 01:08:05,880
together maybe a film we can do at some

1806
01:08:09,410 --> 01:08:07,440
point sure well and anyway thanks for

1807
01:08:10,910 --> 01:08:09,420
sharing that whole first journey of your

1808
01:08:12,589 --> 01:08:10,920
trip to Russia I think you know there's

1809
01:08:14,990 --> 01:08:12,599
a lot hopefully you can show me tonight

1810
01:08:16,669 --> 01:08:15,000
or something some photos and we can put

1811
01:08:18,289 --> 01:08:16,679
that in so people can see it but man

1812
01:08:20,209 --> 01:08:18,299
it's so cool to hear that you actually

1813
01:08:21,229 --> 01:08:20,219
did that work and got out there I think

1814
01:08:22,610 --> 01:08:21,239
more people need to know about it so

1815
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:22,620
hopefully this is a way to show people

1816
01:08:36,410 --> 01:08:29,950
oh my God

1817
01:08:44,470 --> 01:08:40,789
never have so few had so much to tell

1818
01:08:46,249 --> 01:08:44,480
but could say so little

1819
01:08:48,050 --> 01:08:46,259
following us through the weaponized

1820
01:08:49,729 --> 01:08:48,060
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1821
01:08:51,950 --> 01:08:49,739
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1822
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,960
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